It's Official! Women are Just Incubators and Future Incubators!

Discussion in 'Women's Issues' started by cynical_otter, May 24, 2006.

  1. Jedi

    Jedi Self Banned

    I give up seeing any reason in this, I think all of you are basing your assumptions on speculations and what is worse is that these speculations are based on fear of losing some sort of vaunted right to self determination when nothing like that is happening.
    Second, many of you are sexist in your own way, considering men would not understand because they are "men" , or considering men to be ultimately obsolete, or considering fetal rights issue is a way to control women's bodies... all of these are deeply rooted in your own sexist views. Sigh, and you call yourselves feminists? Pathetic.
  2. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

    my uncle, jim, had one son. he only had one because the entire time he was terrified of the consequences of his questionable habits. the way he saw it, he found himself too weak to stop said habits for the sake of having a child on purpose. he decided that he was lucky with the one he had and didn't want to do it again. his wife agreed. while they're both much healthier now, they adopted children and fostered children instead. because neither of them wanted to raise a child that they had harmed. they couldn't live with themselves for doing that to their beloved baby. i don't think guidelines are bad things. now if they work their way into prosecuting women for not being the picture of perfect health, then i'll be fucking furious. preplanning your health lifestyle SHOULD be important when you are in fact going to have a child in the future. i worked really hard to be healthy before i conceived both times. not that it did me any good, but my babies are poster children for good health. that has worked miracles for my own personal well-being. i truly don't think there's any such thing as a selfless act. i've known too many women who've changed their minds about having babies to think that it's not going to happen to someone childfree. i've also known enough who just plain didn't want children to think that it's a given that they will change their mind. but planning for the just in case isn't ever a bad thing. you're healthier, and a child that you're bearing (maybe) is healthier, too. hope for the best, but always plan for the worst.

    after all, what are men but walking sperm donors anyway? if you really want to get down to the bare animalistic perspective of things, might as well do it.
  3. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

    "The CDC report also discusses disparities in care, noting that approximately 17 million women lack health insurance and are likely to postpone or forgo care. These disparities are more prominent among minority groups and those of lower socioeconomic status, the report states."- Anyone up for Socialism yet? Guess not...

    The government believes some crazy things about health, not that I'm saying anything in the article is crazy, but I'm not a doctor so don't listen to me, but I didn't say anything. They teach crazy stuff in health classes now. This article reminds me of health class. "Don't eat 3 hours before you go to bed and you'll live 10 to 20 years longer"- My health teacher. Thats what they said, not me.

    They can say all this stuff, but they can't enforce it. They can't stop you from smoking, or drinking, or force you to take folic supplements. They probably don't really want to, but this is interesting and I would like to learn more about it.
  4. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

    IF this thing gets going, it will be make laws. Cancer treatment is not only problematic to a womyn's (and a man's) fertility, but to the eggs she has, which are not yet fertilized. I could quickly see this turning into not allowing certain womyn to get cancer treatment, because of the "preconcieved."

    It's your opinion. Many prescription drugs are much more dangerous than marijuana, or even psychedelics, neither of which cause fertility or egg problems, in the general population. As for other prescription drugs, this would be the time to start refusing expensive treatments for womyn of childbearing age, who are on SSI or Public Aid, or even HMOs or PPOs with the excuse that "it isn't good for your preconcieved children." When in actuality, it is about saving MONEY on treating these womyn at all.
    OMG, you have got to be kidding me. This was tried. Remember Prohibition? One of the darkest times in American History? Made CRIMINALS out of 97% of the population, caused mass poisonings from homemade bathtub gin and HELPED the Mafia gain the power it still holds today. We need LESS laws against victimless crimes, not more. Prohibition did NOT work. It is either silly or naive to think it will. (And for the record, I don't drink either. Ever. But I am, again, capable of looking beyond the tip of my own nose, to see that outlawing something which is as commonly used as alcohol is not workable.

    If you beleive this is about nothing more than caring about the "preconceived" you really need to get more real life experience with the people who think these things up. Of course, womyn need to KNOW these risks, but I guarentee you, this is not about EDUCATION, this is about CONTROL. This is about the "Fetal Rights" movement, which cares NOTHING about babies and everything about controlling womyn.
  5. hummblebee

    hummblebee hipstertist.

    Well said Maggie! :)
  6. Sage-Phoenix

    Sage-Phoenix Imagine

    Applaudes Maggie :)

    You're right prohibition was really fucking stupid, we did just fine in Europe qithout being so absurd (that'd have even less chance of getting of the ground here anyway).
    Not that certain person would know, seeing as they admit to having had 'no experience whatso ever drnking it', but there is a middle way between teetotal and overconsumption. Adults are [for the most part] not stupid so they can drink in moderation* so that said drinking is not harmful in the grand scheme of things. We do not need to be patronised by faceless institutions or ignorant self righteous types.

    *my alcohol consumption has never been higher than British government guidlines. Not because they told me too, it's a personal choice because I've never felt like getting drunk.
  7. fritz

    fritz Heathen

  8. Jedi

    Jedi Self Banned

    Sigh, Oh please excuse me if am more inclined to trust FDA's opinion on what products are harmful to women's body than your personal opinion, which happens to have no factual basis to support it.
    Second, "psychedelics" like marijuana do cause problems like low birth weight etc, and yes if you want to have factual information , go to FDA (food and drug administration of United states of America) site and search for it, i am too lazy to do so now.

    Third, perhaps you have not seen the light of my statement "looking at all the problems it causes in people, I think it should be legally banned." , I dramatized it to point out the health problems it causes in people, i was not trying to go on a tangent about victimless crimes and whatnot... hmm come to think of it, you might have just misinterpreted it entirely on purpose to suit your bashing of "how ignorant I was" to say "it should be banned" because that didn't work last time, suit yourself if you don't wish to see the point.

    What Now? I need to take your word for it when you say "It is not about EDUCATION IT IS ABOUT CONTROL!! freak out Jedi!"? Do you think I am stupid or something? Hypothetically lets say, if you tell me that thousands of aliens are inhabiting my body, i will take your word for it? (sigh this is just a hypothetical analogy to show you what I can't just believe you) Did you even read the article maggie? look at the article maggie, if you see anything that even tries to be more controlling of women then come back and talk to me, bring that sentence up and discuss it with me, I will enjoy that more than reading your baseless claims. Otherwise, If you are going to speculate about "The Big Bad Patriarchial Wolf" that is out to get the "Little Red Riding Womanhood" , then I am sorry, i can't help you shed your pseudofeminist delusions.
  9. Maggie Sugar

    Maggie Sugar Senior Member

    It's called "getting a foot in the door." Of course the article does't say it is about CONTROL, but the idea is. And, yes, I read it.

    I don't know nuthin about no alien inhabitin' your body, though. <Shrug> (WTF?)
  10. hummblebee

    hummblebee hipstertist.

  11. Jedi

    Jedi Self Banned

    Yes :D I thought it was funny too.

    but seriously , some positive changes should be welcomed, we can't always fear things that have not even happened yet.
  12. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

    Unless those things are fascist.
  13. Jedi

    Jedi Self Banned

    Still nothing to fear, not in this society anyway.

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