It's about Global Pollution, Not Global Warming...

The way to look at Global Warming, is to look at it as GLOBAL POLLUTION, which is a much more ACCURATE description of what MAN has done to create this scenario.

Ever since I was a KID, I was taken aback by the amount of pollution being spewed everyday into our environment. Even as a KID, I knew this was WRONG.

I grew up in NYC in the 1950s & 1960s, which besides London was the MOST POLLUTED city in the world at that time. Everyday I'd walk to school and breathe in the most noxious fumes from cars (no catalytic converters back then, really bad).

I realized then that my generation needed to do something about it because if we didn't those fumes were just going to PILE UP in our atmosphere and eventually we'd be breathing them ALL THE TIME, with no escape.

Then in my 20s I traveled the world, and saw how the WHOLE WORLD was adding their share to the pollution. I saw huge piles of plastic garbage wash up on Bali's beaches because the Balinese never had to deal with non-biodegradable materials until recently.

So I saw how ill-equipped the rest of the world, esp. the Third World was to deal with new forms of pollution that didn't exist before in their societies.

So the fact that MAN POLLUTES the environment is indeed a no-brainer.
The fact that this pollution adds up and IMPACTS not only humans but the rest of the environment, doesn't require a scientist to understand.

Our knowledge of ecology, weather patterns, atmospheric chemistry and other sciences have come a long way in the last few decades to explain how air and water pollution doesn't just stay in one place but gets spread around the world.

Now in the 21st Century, we have MOUNTAINS OF SCIENTIFIC FACTS to support this LOGICAL CONCLUSION, that humans are poisoning themselves and the planet.

Fuck, EVERYBODY knows that!

So all this DENIER shit is just the CORPORATIONS protecting their asses over this, cause they SHOULD ALL BE SUED, and indeed back in the 60s and 70s we tried to sue their asses, and many had to PAY for their pollution.

Of course this gov't just rolls over for their big corporate sponsors and so NOBODY gets prosecuted for this pollution anymore. It's a HIGH CRIME, and BUSH and Congress should be held accountable.

 

Thanks, Rat, once again the truth wins out.

If what you say is true, then we shouldn't be seeing rising CO2 levels for another 600 years, but we're seeing it NOW, aren't we? Which implies that this is not an ORDINARY, NATURAL, occurence, but an abberation, one in which man has played the key role...

And none of this explains the increase in METHANE which is far more poisonous and detrimental to our planet...

 

Yes, the carrying capacity of the seas for CO2 has been reached. That's why it is building up faster and faster in the atmosphere. It still absorbs CO2, but it can't absorb it any faster. And as HUMANS produce more each day, it continues to build up and won't go away! Likewise Methane is increasing even faster because it doesn't get absorbed at all. And it's definitely a deadly poison, unlike CO2...

(You'll never see rat mention methane... He hasn't been given any talking points on it yet, cause there are none to give, esp. when Methane will be the gas that kills us all...)

 

Hence the reason to call it Global Pollution instead of Global Warming, because it's about much more than that, and Industry and overpopulation are as much to blame as ever, regardless of their contributions to "global warming".

So let's NEVER AGAIN use the misnomer, Global Warming and instead call it Global Pollution, which is indeed the BIG PROBLEM humanity and the world faces!

 

The physical destruction is A BIG part of the pollution problem.

If you cut down a million trees, what happens to them? They go up in smoke, and THAT is pollution.

If you destroy a hillside to build slums, the resulting floods and landslides create pollution.

If you dredge a waterway to make a new canal you've polluted and destroyed an entire ecosystem.

And yes, it IS about destroying entire ecosystems now. Because that is how far we have progressed with our pollution.

It's now possible to see the day when HUGE oceanic ecosystems will collapse, possibly reducing the lifeforms in them by 90% or more.

Then it won't be long before mass starvation and other world wide ecological crises make living on this planet HELL!

"Global Warming" as it has appeared thus far is the LEAST of our worries...

 

I say that because I KNOW calling it Global Warming is a misnomer and distraction from the ACTUAL problem which is GLOBAL POLLUTION.

We've known about Global Pollution since I was a little tyke. It's NOTHING NEW.

That's what disturbs me more than anything is all these politicians and scientists acting like it's something they just figured out, when there were good studies done in the 60s and 70s, many predicting most of the problems we face now.

The other problem with calling it global warming is people think THAT is the main problem, but it's just another SYMPTOM of the greater problems of overpopulation and global pollution and unbridled Capitalistic greed.

Indeed the whole SYSTEM is the problem. You can't just blame a global elite. They have inherited the same system we did. They didn't invent it yesterday.

It's the SYSTEM that must change if we are to survive. Global warming distracts us, as we spend billions putting band-aids on a problem here and a problem there. Meanwhile the System trudges on, still polluting, still overpopulating, still WARMING THE PLANET.

Until we have a REVOLUTION overturning the existing system, it will remain essentially unchanged, and we can expect the same result - massive ecosystem collapse (which I knew was coming back in 1970).

So you see EVERYTHING is exactly the same, nothing has changed in 40 years, except the levels of population and pollution, which were predicted to cause catastophic crises after the year 2000.

So why is everyone so surprised?

Maybe the fact that our gov't has chosen to hide the data for decades.
Maybe the fact that since Bush has been in power every effort was made not just to hide the data, but to deny it, obscure it, censor it, etc.

The facts of Global Pollution are there as they have always been.

The only difference now is ppl can no longer afford to ignore it as they have been doing my whole lifetime.

And, Rat, you say global warming isn't caused by man's activities, but indeed it is... And that is the source of our disagreements.

I'm just saying it's ONE OF MANY SYMPTOMS we can expect to get worse thanks to the major problems I mentioned.

You see it's completely possible to EXPLAIN what is going on with our planet without needing to refer to Global Warming, The Global Elite, Al Gore, etc. Those terms are used to frame the issue in POLITICAL terms, when it is an ENVIRONMENTAL issue, not a political one. Well at least until the revolution!

Don't get caught up in labels because then you are just a pawn of the media.

 

Yes, and although Rat admits Pollution is "a" problem. It is indeed THE #2 problem facing humanity next to overpopulation, which is #1.

You can't stop ppl from Fucking and Shitting so 7 Billion fucking people, stewing in their own SHIT, is what we now have.

Putting the blame anywhere else is a Red Herring.

Of course the SYSTEM is to blame for allowing things to get to this state.

That's because the system was setup to GROW. And the system isn't considered healthy unless it's growing. That is the fundamental LIE that too many people have accepted as TRUTH, perpetuating the problem.

People accept this lie because it means that they can PROFIT from it.

The reality is that it's perfectly fine to have a STABLE system that is in balance with the world's ecosystems, that DOESN'T grow and consume more resources, but continually strives to improve the QUALITY of life for everyone, rather than the QUANTITY of lives that exist on this ever shrinking planet.