Islam and Athiesm?

Discussion in 'Islam' started by Small_Brown, Jan 18, 2005.

  1. Small_Brown

    Small_Brown Senior Member

    I've read somewhere that Muslim people absolutely hate Athiests, and should kill them where they find them. Is this true? What would happen to me if I were to go to a country like say Iran? and mention my lack of belief. Any insight on this subject would be helpful, thanks :)
     
  2. cabdirazzaq

    cabdirazzaq Member

    No this is not really correct.

    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.[2.256]

    If someone likes to prove me wrong then show us any narration from the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) where he aimed a weapon against someone in order for this person to convert.

    Iran is far away from uppholding muslim teachings and these shias are innovators and their own customs should not be connected to islam.
    There are no real countries today which I know of that follow islamic law, but if you would travel to any of these countries expressing your views I don't think anything would happen to you but ofcourse that is unless you start calling our dear prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) by horrible names and slander him and his religion deeply, then frankly I don't know people would do with you.

    Secondly, you could be a very nice and kind person but we will still hate these beliefs of yours sense they go against the most important thing in our lives, that doesn't mean we would treat you like dirt.

    “ O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do.” (Al-Maidah: 8)

    Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just[60.8]
     
  3. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    About 10 yrs. ago, my aunt rode a motorbike throughout N. Africa's Muslim countries, alone.

    A western woman, alone, and you know what?
    She had a great time. People were generally very good to her.

    I bet that some of the fervently anti Muslim members here won't believe that.
    Tough.
     
  4. juggla

    juggla Member

    they believe thou shalt not kill, but i wouldnt move to saudia arabia and and yell im an atheist
     
  5. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    prudent decision

    I wouldnt go to Compton and yell I am a white supremacist, though I am not.
     
  6. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    I think there is a difference in not believing in a imaginary creature like a god, or a unicorn, or the tooth fairy, and being a white supremacist .

    being a atheist in Iran, well if you go on grand ayatollah sistani website who is the top religous authority in Iran.
    he thinks that kafirs which a atheist most certainly is, are on the same level as shit or a pig, and that a practicing muslim should ritually wash if he sits on a seat that such a creature sits on heres his website

    http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/main/index.php?page=3&part=1
    its best to avoid christians and jews because he thinks they may be unclean too and that even kafir children are unclean
    http://www.sistani.org/html/eng/main/index.php?page=3&lang=ara&part=1
    hes not the only person in shia islam who thinks like this all the other grand ayatollahs that Ive been able to track down think the same way about kafirs.
    Grand Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei
    thinks that dead kafirs can be used for medical science which is cool because it would be morally wrong to use a muslim corpse
    /www.wilayah.net/en/library/ajwibah/taharah.php#3-13

    hopefully you wont meet people who really follow the religion, and instead meet people who act like normal people without listerning to such "wise" teachings.

    blackgaurd I had a great time in the middle east and I wouldnt mind a trip to Iran Ive never been and I have a lot of Iranian friends .

    but a friend was telling me a couple of days ago of having a boy threaten to kill him because my friend had said that the earth was millions of years old and the boys iman had said it was a few thousand years old .
    the kid was going to cut my friends throat so my friend had to act like a idiot, and pretend that he didnt know what he was saying this happened in either rural pakistan or afghanistan .

    and I would think there are places even in Iran that saying your a atheist could be dangerous .

    cab you keep quoting from a sura that is no longer in force , I will post about it again as busy
     
  7. Small_Brown

    Small_Brown Senior Member

    Ok, cool. Thanks everyone for the insight :)
     
  8. cabdirazzaq

    cabdirazzaq Member

    Imagine your self having a conversation with a christian and basing all your arguments on the words and actions of Adolf Hitler, you woulnd't get very far sense this man does not represent the religion of christianity nor does any shia represent the religion of islam. Many of these people should not even be called muslim because of their strange and many innovations.
    It doesn´t matter what they say sense this comes from their own pocket and not from the sayings of the prophet(peace and blessing of Allah be upon him).
     
  9. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

    I can find the same anti kafir sentiments in other branches of islam

    "The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims... The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam."
    -- Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter #163

    so far I havnt found a kafir friendly branch of islam .

    sistani the guy who thinks kafirs are like shit or pigs but still useful for medical experiments,has 200-300 million followers
     
  10. cabdirazzaq

    cabdirazzaq Member

    Hitler also had millions of followers, that still doesn't make him a candidate for representing the christian faith. Sufis? Have you gone so far as to post the views of sufis, johnny you are smarter than this and you your self know that quoting sufis when discussing islam is very idiotic.

    This below is a quotation from a fatwa answered by islam-qa.com which is supervised by Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, the student of very known sheikhs such as Ibn Baz and Ibn Uthaymeen(may Allah have mercy on them both) who were among the greatest scholars of our time;

    Question :
    What is the ruling on defending the honour of the kuffaar? One day I slandered the honour of a kaafir and one of the Muslims responded and defended the honour of this kaafir. What is the ruling on defending their honour?.

    Answer
    Praise be to Allaah.

    Firstly:It is not the attitude of a Muslim to insult others, slander them and impugn their honour. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer is not given to cursing, slandering or obscene and foul speech.” Narrated by Ahmad, 3948; al-Tirmidhi, 1977; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

    The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told people not to insult a Jew who deserved to be insulted, and he said that the reason for that is that Allaah does not like obscene talk.

    Al-Bukhaari (6401) narrated from ‘Aa’ishah that the Jews came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “Al-saam ‘alayk (death be upon you). He said: “Wa ‘alaykum (and also upon you).” ‘Aa’ishah said: “Death be upon you, may Allaah send His curse and wrath upon you.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Take it easy, O ‘Aa’ishah! You should be kind and gentle, and beware of harshness and foul speech.” She said: “Did you not hear what they said?” He said: “Did you not hear what I said? I responded to them, and my du’aa’ concerning them was answered, but their du’aa’ concerning me was not answered.”

    According to a report narrated by Muslim (2165), ‘Aa’ishah noticed what they said and insulted them, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Enough, O ‘Aa’ishah, for Allaah does not like foul speech and foul language.” ...

    He goes on with:

    ... The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against transgressing against or wronging a kaafir whose rights are protected, as he said: “Whoever does wrong to a mu’aahad (a kaafir who has a peace treaty with the Muslims), or tries to put him down, or burdens him with more than he can bear, or takes something from him without his consent, I will be his opponent on the Day of Resurrection.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 3052; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

    Then he ends with the words:

    The point is that whoever defends the honour of a kaafir, by refuting what is said about him wrongfully, is doing no wrong, in fact he is doing the right thing. It is not the way of a Muslim to slander people’s honour. If he also tells him to stop slandering and insulting others, he is doing good and will be rewarded in sha Allaah.
    And Allaah knows best.

    Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)

    Johnny, you are only duping your self with all these lies you keep on pasting.
     
  11. SpliffVortex

    SpliffVortex Senior Member

    here is a jewish song maybe you muslims might like Billy Joel

    Captain Jack Lyrics


    Saturday night and you're still hangin' around
    Tired of livin' in your one-horse town
    Like to find a little hole in the ground
    For a while

    So you go to the village in your tie-dye jeans
    And you stare at the junkies and the closet queens
    It's just like some pornographic magazine
    And you smile

    Captain Jack will get you high tonight
    And take you to your special island
    Captain Jack will get you by tonight
    Just a little push and you'll be smilin'

    Your sister's gone out. She's on a date
    You just sit at home and masturbate
    The phone is gonna ring soon but you just can't wait
    For that call

    So you stand on the corner in you New English clothes
    And you look so polished from your hair down to your toes
    But still your finger's gonna pick your nose
    After all

    But Captain Jack will get you high tonight
    And take you to your special island
    Captain Jack will get you by tonight
    Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
    La da da, Oh yeah, yeah

    So you decide to take a holiday
    You got your tape deck and your brand new Chevrolet
    Ah but there's no place to go anyway
    And what for...
    You've got everything, but nothing's cool
    They've just found your father in the swimming pool
    And you guess you won't be going back to school
    Anymore...

    But Captain Jack will get you high tonight
    And take you to your special island
    Captain Jack will get you by tonight
    Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
    La da da, Oh yeah, yeah

    So you play your albums and you smoke your pot
    And you meet your girlfriend in the parking lot
    Oh, but still you're aching for the things you have not got
    What went wrong...
    And if you can't understand why your world is so dead
    And why you've got to keep in style and feed your head
    Well, you're twenty-one and still your mother makes your bed
    And that's too long...

    But Captain Jack will get you high tonight
    And take you to your special island
    Captain Jack will get you by tonight
    Just a little push 'n' you'll be smilin'
    Yeah, Captain Jack will get you by tonight
    Yeah, Captain Jack will get you by tonight
     
  12. Puffis

    Puffis Member

    Please I ask do not confuse the violence and ignorance of some Muslims with the teachings of Islam. They are not the same, sometimes Muslims are wrong, they are afterall, human, so they may have misinterpreted the Holy Quran, but that does not make Islam violent, that makes some people that happen to be Muslim violent.
     
  13. M.Saif

    M.Saif Member

  14. hitomi

    hitomi Member

    Let go all of these extrimists, that's not always true.
    Of course you will be treated like shit from extrimists, and not only muslims extrimist but from all religions.
    All I can tell you is that I live in an islamic country, and I have a couple of atheists freinds, and they are alive.
    peace.
     

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