Isaiah

One of the biggest arguments that Christians like to start is that over Isaiah 7:14. If you read the book of Matthew 1:22-23, you will see WHY they love to use this verse. One only has to look at a correct translation, however, to see why this argument is not valid.

Matthew 1:22 – Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, (23) Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, G-d with us. (KJV)

Okay – translation of text – a small problem – Emmanuel. The name in Matthew is translated as “G-d with Us”. The correct translation is “G-d is with Us”. Additionally, Jesus was NEVER called Emmanuel.

Isaiah 7:14 – Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (KJV)

Chapter 7 of Isaiah, when read in context, relates the story of the Northern Kingdom of Israel & Syria waging war on the Kingdom of Judah. G-d sent Isaiah to Achaz to tell him that He would help him. Isaiah told Achaz that intervention from G-d would occur soon, and he would know it when given the sign in Isaiah 7:14.

Okay, if the prophecy was to fulfill Achaz's request of G-d, what good would the prophecy have done AFTER his lifetime was over? Not only was his lifetime over, but it was over by about 700 years. You need to look at the verse even closer – BEHOLD – a Huge Keyword here. If it was a Messianic Prophecy, it would have been in long term language. This is happening now, in Achaz's time. Understand, also, that BEHOLD can also mean LOOK, it is in the present tense - not the future tense. This is something that is happening soon. A SIGN – If this was to occur AFTER Achaz's lifetime, WHY would he be looking for a sign? He wouldn't be, as he would be dead. And the biggest point – jesus was NEVER called Immanuel.

Now, the rest of the verse, which the Christians love - "a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son". This is a gross mistranslation. The word used here is Almah - a young woman. The word used to distinguish a virgin is Betulah - virgin. Isaiah mentions this word at other places, as well as being in other places in the Hebrew Scriptures, however, the Christians tend to ONLY mistranslate this verse. Is this coincidence? No it is not. It was VERY intentional.

Isaiah's Warnings About Jesus

Okay, I’m about to do the EXACT same thing that Missionaries will do to you. I’m going to quote scripture, and tell you what I want you to hear, and the only difference is – I’m going to give you factual information.

Isaiah warns us not to follow a man-made religion led by a carpenter - in Chapter 44 - wonder who that carpenter was? I BET I know.
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Let’s go against jesus for a minute here, and tell you why the verse that begins with Isaiah 24:1 will occur:
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24:5 – The earth is also defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have TRANSGRESSED THE LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, and BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.
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Why? Because the Covenant was not superceded by a NEW covenant – it is an EVERLASTING one. You have to OBEY G-d’s Law – there is STILL THE NEED, and you CANNOT change these laws.
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How exactly is this done with the religion about jesus? Jesus broke the laws, he changed the laws, and even went so far as to state that the covenant was now null and void.
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Hmmm you say, what does that have to do with the “New” Testament?
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Galatians 3:13 – Christ hath redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed every one that hangeth on a tree
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Galatians 3:24 – Wherefore the LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (25) But after that faith is come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.
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Romans 7:6 – But now WE ARE DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not the oldness of the letter.
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Galatians 5:18 – But if ye be led of the Spirit, YE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.
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Hebrews 7:12 – For the priesthood being changed, THERE IS MADE OF NECESSITY A CHANGE ALSO OF THE LAW.
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So, does G-d lie? The Christians would have you believe G-d does. G-d, who is supposed to be the knower and creator of all, would place an everlasting covenant - KNOWING that he would send someone to supercede this covenant? I think NOT.
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Romans 4:13 – For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the LAW, but through the righteousness of faith. (14) For if they which are of the law heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect (15) BECAUSE THE LAW WORKETH WRATH; FOR WHERE NO LAW IS, NO TRANSGRESSION. (16) Therefore of faith, that by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

WOW - what a concept - without Law, there is NO Transgression. What an intelligent comment - of course there is no transgression - there is also no accountability, and then of course, that means, yet again, that G-d lied.
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Ephesians 2:15 – HAVING ABOLISHED IN HIS FLESH THE ENMITY, THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS IN ORDINANCES, for to make in himself of twain one new man, making peace;
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Colossians 2:14 – BLOTTING OUT THE HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
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Colossians 2:20 – Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, WHY, AS THOUGH LIVING IN THE WORLD, ARE YE SUBJECT TO ORDINANCES.
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Colossians 2:16 – LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or OF THE SABBATH;
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Okay, now WAIT a cotton-pickin' second. G-d states in the Scriptures that if you do not observe HIS Sabbath - the most HOLY of days, you are to be put to death. Why then, would Jesus' followers state that you should not observe the Sabbath? Perhaps there is a lot more here than meets the eye? Perhaps, however, it is very simple. They lie.
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Galatians 5:2 – Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.
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Now, okay, I get it - G-d makes the Law, Jesus' followers TRAMPLE on it. G-d said that the Law of Circumcision was to be followed - and understand me here - FOREVER. Once again, G-d is a liar? I think not. It seems to me, however, the creators of this "religion" were.
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What will happen because of jesus’ changes?
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Isaiah 28:14 –15 – Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, WE HAVE MADE A COVENANT WITH DEATH, AND WITH HELL, WE ARE AT AGREEMENT; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us; for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves.
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It is interesting to note, that in the New Testament, there is an agreement, a covenant with death, an agreement with the grave:
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Hebrews 9:15 – And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that BY MEANS OF DEATH, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first testament, THEY WHICH ARE CALLED MIGHT RECEIVE THE PROMISE OF ETERNAL INHERITANCE.
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I get it now - Christianity is a covenant with hell. That's why they HAVE to be right? NOTTTTTTTTT!
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Romans 7:4 – Wherefore, my brethren, YE ALSO ARE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW BY THE BODY OF CHRIST; that ye should be married to another, to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
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Colossians 2:20 – Wherefore IF YE BE DEAD WITH CHRIST from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
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Romans 6:3 – Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH?
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Colossians 3:3 – FOR YE ARE DEAD, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
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So WHAT does Isaiah say about this???
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Isaiah 28:18 – And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
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Well, what about treachery?
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Isaiah 24:16-18 – From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, glory to the righteous. But I said, My leanness, my leanness, woe unto me! The treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously; yea, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously. FEAR, and the PIT, and the SNARE, upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth. And it shall come to pass, HE WHO FLEETH FROM THE NOISE OF THE FEAR SHALL FALL INTO THE PIT; AND HE THAT COMETH UP OUT OF THE MIDST OF THE PIT SHALL BE TAKEN IN THE SNARE: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
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Hmmmm Christianity?
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Luke 12:5 – But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: FEAR HIM, WHICH AFTER HE HATH KILLED HATH POWER TO CAST INTO HELL; YEA, I SAY UNTO YOU, FEAR HIM
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Matthew 10:28 – And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather FEAR HIM WHICH IS ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL.
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Revelation 9:2 – AND HE OPENED THE BOTTOMLESS PIT; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
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Revelation 9:11 – And they had a king over them, THE ANGEL OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, whose name in the Hebrew tongue Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath name Apollyon.
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Mark 1:16 – Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. And Jesus said unto him, Come ye after me, and I WILL MAKE YOU TO BECOME FISHERS OF MEN.
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Luke 5:10 – And so also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from HENCEFORTH THOU SHALT CATCH MEN.
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Let me add here - Henceforth thou shalt catch men - by deception, by lies, and by threats of death and hell.
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So WHAT happens at the end of times?
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Isaiah 24:20 – The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, THE LORD SHALL PUNISH THE HOST OF THE HIGH ONES ON HIGH, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.
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Hmmmm
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Ephesians 2:6 – AND HATH RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES in Christ Jesus:
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Uh Oh, so what does Isaiah say?
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Isaiah 24:22 – And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
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Okay, you say, so what about PRIDE?
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Isaiah 28:1 – Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty a fading flower, which on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
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Okay, so who gets to wear such a crown?
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Isaiah 28:5 – In that day shall the LORD of hosts be for A CROWN OF GLORY, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,
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Okay, so what does that have to do with the New Testament?
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1 Peter 5:4 – And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive A CROWN OF GLORY that fadeth not away.
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What about knowledge and learning?
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Isaiah 28:9 – Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
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Okay, that’s great, but the New Testament says:
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1 Corinthians 3:2 – I have fed you with milk, and not with meat; for hitherto ye were not able (to bear it), neither yet now are ye able.
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Just remember what Isaiah says in 52:15 – 53:1
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Yes, when these nations, and their kings hear what they have NOT been told, they will shut their mouths and try to understand it and say, “Who would have believed this report?”
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Okay, so now you know about what happened, and what G-d really said and what Jesus really did in regard to what G-d says. Don't say you weren't warned.
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You can keep your jesus, I'll follow the word of G-d.​

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You will be responsible before the Living G-D for your choice to explain away Truth. Yesuah claimed to be God and was raised from the dead with 500 jewish eye witnesses. May the G-d of Abraham Issac and Jacob open your eyes before check out. With out the shedding of blood there is no forgivness of sin. Lev 17:11

 

"Yesuah claimed to be God and was raised from the dead with 500 jewish eye witnesses."

How does that make him God?

Deuteronomy 13:1 The entire word that I command you, that shall you observe to do; you shall not add to it and you shall not subtract from it. [2] If there should stand up in your midst a prophet or a dreamer of a dream, and he will produce to you a sign or a wonder, [3] and the sign or the wonder comes about, of which he spoke to you, saying "Let us follow gods of others that you did not know and we shall worship them!7quot; [4] do not hearken to the words of that prophet or to that dreamer of a dream, for HASHEM, your G-d, is testing you to know whether you love HASHEM, your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul. [5] HASHEM, your G-d, shall you follow and Him shall you fear; His commandments shall you observe and to His voice shall you hearken; Him shall you serve and to Him shall you cleave. [6] And that prophet and that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death, for he had spoken perversion against HASHEM, your G-d Who takes you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeems you from the house of slavery to make you stray from the path on which HASHEM, you G-d, has commanded you to go; and you shall destroy the evil from your midst. (Artscroll)

Worshipping Jesus would be a form of idolatry, even if the miracle comes true. God is just testing them. We cannot rely on miracles.

Dauer

For an answer to the bloodshed issue see the other thread.

 

This Prophet was attested by G-D with many miracles He raised people from the dead and healed many diverse diseases. Your Torah points to the Messiah . This 'False Prophet' was raised from the dead and seen by the jewish disciples for fourty days and He ascended to The Father. G-D does have a Son Proverbs 30:4 Prov 30:4

4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Son's name,
If you know?
NKJV
Their are none so blind as those who refuse to look at all the evidence. He is in every feast.
For G_d so loved the world( That would be you) That He gave His One and only Son that who ever( that would be you) belives in Him should not parish but have everlasting life.
Look up Genisis 1 :1 in Hebrew and you will find Prov 30:4

4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Son's name,
If you know?
NKJV

'elohiym

OT:430 'elohiym (el-o-heem'); plural of OT:433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative.

(Strong's Hebrew Concordance)

Now go to Genisis 1:26 " Let us create man in OUR own image after our likness "Who was G-D talking to? Certinaly He wasn't talking to angels...

 

"This Prophet was attested by G-D with many miracles He raised people from the dead and healed many diverse diseases. Your Torah points to the Messiah . This 'False Prophet' was raised from the dead and seen by the jewish disciples for fourty days and He ascended to The Father. "

The above passage I presented states we cannot rely on miracles to tell us if someone is a prophet. You simply ignored my passage. Nor is there any way to confirm that those myths are true. If they are true, they do not satisfy the prophecies about the messiah that I linked you to earlier which are the only requirements for the messiah and because of this Jesus fails and is according to Judaism a false messiah. I will ask again: where is the messiah mentioned in any of your verses? Nowhere. You say it's referring to the messiah because that would fit better with your mythology. But the messiah is never mentioned.

"G-D does have a Son Proverbs 30:4 Prov 30:4"

God does have a son:

Exodus 4

22. And you shall say to Pharaoh, 'So said the Lord, "My firstborn son is Israel."[/b ' 23. So I say to you, 'Send out My son so that he will worship Me, but if you refuse to send him out, behold, I am going to slay your firstborn son.' "


Hosea - Chapter 11
1. For, when Israel was young, I loved him, and from Egypt I called My son.

You translation is corrupt. It capitalizes the word son but there is nothing to indicate it should be capitalized. And please don't insert other passages into the text but quote them separately iinstead.

"Now go to Genisis 1:26 " Let us create man in OUR own image after our likness "Who was G-D talking to? Certinaly He wasn't talking to angels..."

Why can't he be talking to the angels, or speaking in the language of royalty? Do you not see in the following line "27. And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."

God is one. He was referring to someone who is not God.

Dauer

 

thsat Proverbs section is about Moses who went up to heaven to recieve the Torah and come back down to the surface