is there any possibly "faster than light?"

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  1. Taichi master

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    some people think they can walk to the past by move faster than speed of light but.....

    according to einstein theory:

    something as fast as light would be remain "forever".

    that mean not even a second for something in a light speed passed, identical with eternal time in a normal speed.

    in mathematical quotion: "root of 0"

    but if something excess speed of light that would make a "root of negative".

    and all of you know there is NO "root of negative"
     
  2. Taichi master

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    i think "a nothing" faster than light will become particle called mass.
    the reason behind this is more fast more time pass and the opposite is slowing the time by gravitation from mass.
    read this article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
    so when "a nothing" as fast as light, it is on peak, and as wave law, it must down if surpass it or repeat from the start again(like do re mi fa sol). what can make it down? become "mass" and make it slowing down.

    do you ever hear atom is just an frequency?

    but what about "something" what have mass move faster than light? what happen to that "something"? what that "something" will become?
     
  3. Taichi master

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    later i think something have mass move faster than light will make a big bang, thus create it's own universe.

    thus i think bigbang happen because something move faster than light.
     
  4. WaterBreather

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    The Einstein Podolsky Rosen Experiment proved that subatomic particles can go faster than light. However, Einstein's laws still hold for macro-atomic particles.

    So we could send encoded messages faster than light, but nothing the size of an atom would be able to do this without increasing its mass exponentially, which could actually start its own universe with a big bang effect. (Like you say)

    It has been theorised by Roger Penrose that microtubules in the brain actually perform Quantum consciousness (http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/quantumcomputation.html)

    Perhaps, when some people die, their minds move faster than light and createa 'big bang' they would then become like the God of their own universe? And they would leave behind, a psychological black hole of sorts?

    Lots of dreamy ideas here to play with ....
     
  5. DaveHT

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    Anything faster than the speed of light will always remain faster than the speed of light. Anything slower will always be lower, anything equal to the speed of light will always be at the speed of light. That is the current theory.

    Black holes are faster than the speed of light which is why they are called black, even light that enters them can never travel fast enought to escape. They do appearently do let Hawkins radiation to escape. Faster than light masses are anti-masses.

    Finally there is such thing as a root of a negative number, they are classified as imaginary numbers and they do exist. The modern electronics of today would have never been developed if electrical enginneers thought that imaginary numbers didn't exist, they are an intergral part of any first year electroncs course and without understanding what they are and how they relate to real numbers the field of electronics and electricity whould not make any more sense than magic does.
     
  6. Taichi master

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    if a "nothing" move faster than light will make mass.

    and mass move faster than light will make universe.

    then, it is capable to make something from nothingness.
    this is magic isn't it?
     
  7. Taichi master

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    why subatomic particle can move faster than light?
    it have no mass?
    and why an atom size is the barrier and limit to move faster than light?

    i think inside subatomic atom have its own universe.
    we live in speed of light(it is our dimension), anything lower from our unvirse excess it become in our universe.
    and anything "in our universe" excess it will.. what ? kick out from our universe and come as a 'matter'-what we called atom if in our universe- to bigger universe and reality?

    that explain theory about black hole being a gate to another universe..
    after all, everything is just nothing than just frequency right?

    they are just my theory though
     
  8. Taichi master

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    faster than light masses become bigbang or black holes?

    i think, faster than light masses become its universe, but if it created in our universe that doesn't mean its universe wipe out our universe, but instead it create on other dimension, where light is no longer limit of speed, and black hole is the gate to that other dimension.
     
  9. Taichi master

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    this would be the best dreamy goal of all people in this world

    it possibly, but the question is: is mind really move?

    if wave what have no mass move faster than light create particle, then,

    is mind move like wave? if so, then it possibly.

    but God have conciousness. feeling and conciousness is what make us like God, like what God said on bible.

    but when we are at baby state there is no consciosness right? or other words there is no mind at baby, what make baby always stupid.

    so conciosness is growing within our brain cells.

    if our brain dead is there any conciousness?
     
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    i think humans dont really know anything about such topics, meaning... not to say Einstein wasent smart, because he was a very brilliant man. though as soon as human beings "think" we find an answer we change it, only until we find a new answer, then change it again. its a quest that doesnt seem to end, and i dont think it ever will.

    i guess what im trying to say is....when it comes to space especially. space topics, light spend, time travel, all these topics. humans are always wrong tell we see or experience it. random thoughts always seem to be naive in the end.
     
  11. DaveHT

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    Faster than light masses are anti-masses and are probably in there own universe. If an anti-mass and a mass collide they should annihilate each other. Kind of like adding a negative number to a positive number. If they are equal in magnitude they become zero. There is a black hole at the center of every galaxy, which most likely means a gate way to another universe. Have fun trying to get through it though. Keep in mind this is all theoretical physics and has not been conclusivaley proven yet. Hence the Haldron super collider to try to prove some of these theories.
     
  12. WaterBreather

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    Dave, can you please explain what the square root of -5 actually is?

    Its the first I have heard of it, in my physics 101 course they told us it was an impossibility.

    Taichi : as to why we can move faster than light if less than the size of an atom, its because the experiment proved it thus. Einstein disagreed with the experiment up until the day of his death, and claimed there must have been an error in it. Its just theory for the sake of theory. What Heisienberg showed with his uncertainty principle is that the world of atoms is not determined. It gave value to free will on a philosophical level. But we live with free will anyhow, so it was kind of redundant.

    As for Hadron. A scientific experiment has to be repeatable, which such super experiments are not. We just have to take their word for it. Whatever 'it' actually is. And it has no actual application in the real world at all. Its could be considered a money-making gimmick; if it actually worked, which it does not. So its actually a money-making non-gimmick.

    Its just one of those esotreric self-serving vanities to boost the income and bragging rights of the so-called 'scientific' community. At best it is merely a form of modern art : expensive and useless.

    Square root of a negative number?

    Thats like saying the colour green is the colour red.
     
  13. Taichi master

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    dave: what you mean by antimass? black hole?

    water: square root of negative number is impossible indeed. that's why i think if something move faster than light, it will not move faster, but instead change to another dimension or direction--with this like kind of adding another variable to mathematical formula(just like what einstein did with Newton law). nature tell us that everything is in cycle, just like kind of music(do re mi and back to 'do'). light is just wave right? and that just frequency.
    for frequency there is no negative number, only different direction.
    that make 2 possible action for something move faster than light to make cycle law:

    1. it will create wave law, so if light is the peak, it will not exceed it and will down.(become masssssss to make it slow it down)

    2. or it start from beggining again but on another level. like doremifasollasido. (become another dimension)
     
  14. Taichi master

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    as for Hadron, that experiment made for answer about this topic.

    and that for discovery of new Basic physic law, from newton law to einstein law. this result will bring law that surpass einstein law. that's why scientist say it so important for science.
    but, this is just research so there is possibility this experiment will not bring any result.
     
  15. Taichi master

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    but some ridiculous about this is :

    even on biotech, nanotech, and einstein law, scientists are not 'fully' understand it yet or use it for human right.

    why make research that surpass it which some scientist themself not too sure it will not bring disaster.

    this like kind of : because one not fully understand how to drive a car and use it for life, he learn how to drive a plane.
     
  16. DaveHT

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    Water the square root of -5 is 2.236067977i. An imaginary number is represented by the by the letter i (sometimes represented by the letter j) and i is equal for the square root of -1.

    http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.imag.num.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number
    http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/answers/imaginary.html

    There are 3 links explaining them. As for any physics teacher saying that the square root of a negative number is an impossibility, they are not a real teacher of physics but a person that is trying to teach a subject they know nothing about (or they know they exist but are teaching such a basic level of a physics class that they are afraid of trying to confuse the students). I first learned of imaginary numbers in grade 10 math and grade 10 electronics class.
     
  17. DaveHT

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    Antimass is to mass what antimatter is to matter. Since all matter has mass than all antimatter must have antimass. Or it should if gravity has an opposite, an antigravity. I should have used the correct term antimatter because antigravity is not yet known.

    Haldron is being used to try and find a unified field theory. If successful it will combine special relativity (which works on a large scale but breaks down on a small scale) with quantum mechanics (which works on a small scale but breaks down on a large scale).

    There are four basic forces in the universe the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, electomagnetic force and gravity. Read up on quantum mechanics and see if you can understand it. I have a basic understanding of it and a basic understanding of special relativity. Scientists that have an advanced understanding of both are trying to trying to unify the two, with the force of gravity. They already have unified the strong and weak forces and if they can unify gravity then 3 of the four forces will be unified and it would just be a matter of substituting the formulas to find the fourth unified force, electromagnetism. This would in essence be the holy grail of science, allowing things such as clean energy and possibly inter galactic travel to be possible. If they are successful than it would indeed be a cash cow. It may even lead to artificial intelligence.

    Scary and exciting at the same time, which is why some people think it may suck the whole planet into a black hole.
     
  18. Orion Blastar

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    Hello there, I too am interested in this topic. I hope you don't mind me dropping in from the USA, but the Netherlands has always had a strong talent for science and has contributed much to the world. I want to learn more myself.

    There are such theories about exceeding the speed of light:
    http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Tachions
    Tachions are one such theoretical particle; however, they might travel backwards in time. Perhaps that explains the negative root?

    A baby is not stupid, but is developing. According to Psychological Life Development a baby develops from the head down, and the last thing a baby learns to use is his/her toes. Until they are a few years old, they only have short-term memory and then they develop long term memory. But might remember a smell or what someone looked like when they were a baby or perhaps a song. What goes into the brain stays in the brain, but it is not always available. As soon as a baby learns words, he/she can put memories to those words and index them. Human beings learn from their mistakes and failures, it is the way we are designed.

    Science is not exact, it is always changing, a theory is an educated guess until a new one is developed. For example Issac Newton had a theory on gravity until Albert Einstein came up with General Relativity to replace it. Yet there happens to be a flaw in it, as stars in the outer edge of a galaxy move at the same speed as stars in the inner egde of a galaxy, which defies the Theory of Gravity of both men. Which lead to a Dark Matter and Dark Energy theory that most of the matter in the Universe is missing or we cannot see it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/missing.shtml

    Quite fascinating.
     
  19. DaveHT

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    General Relativity didn't replace Newton's theory, it is more of a refinement. Newtonian gravity works well... up to a point, than it starts to break down. The same effect that Einstein's theory has. Up till now there is nothing to correct it. Perhaps a unified field theory can refine it but it still won't replace Einstein's theory or Newton's as they are both correct for the scales they work on. Even a unified theory may run into troubles on certain scales and require another theory to correct it.

    Newton's theory enabled man to expand on Kepler's Law's of planetary motion by introducing gravity, along with such mundane things like artillery trajectories. Einstein's theories enabled man to more accurately predict the orbits of Mercury and Neptune (which lead to the theory that Pluto was out there before it was found), and also such mundane things like atomic bombs and nuclear power. Who knows what mundane things a unified force will ultimately bring to mankind and when or if starts to break down?

    Science is indeed an educated guess that is backed up by observations. It is sometimes wrong and it is sometimes very close. When it is proven wrong it is discarded but when it is proven close it is usually refined on. Even some times the wrong theories may prove to be valuable to seemingly unrelated fields and may in fact be close for things that they were not expected for and may come back into being accepted once again, although not for their first use.

    I have wondered myself about the speed of stars at the edge of the galaxy moving at the same speed as the inner ones, and also at the paradox of looking a distance stars that are older than the age of the universe. Is this a relativistic thing and perhaps we are moving at the speed of light already? If we are traveling at the speed of light, relativity tells us that light will still appear to travel away or towards us at the speed of light. Perhaps the speed of light is in fact the speed of life.
     
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    My understandings of what Einstein said (which are very basic) is that nothing can accelerate to the speed of light. He never said anything about "anything" that already travels faster than light.

    Also in quantum entanglement, two "things?" are linked together even though they don't have to be anywhere near each other. When the properties of one of those "things" is observed, the properties of the other are established instantaneously. This means that some form of faster than light communication is in place between the two as light has a finite speed and is not instantaneous.

    Not sure if I explained it very well, but it makes sense in my head. I'm sure you guys have heard of this before.
     

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