is pc human suicide

now i'm not a nazi or anything... this is just a thought i had at work... thought it might spawn and intresting debate.

are we commiting racial suicide by allowing stupid people to breed?

with political correctness the norm, and everyone having the same rights as everyone else...and the right to breed being one of them... and the fact that stupid people generally have more children than intelligent people.. are we condemning the human race to death by allowing stupid people to breed and eventually over run the more intelligent humans.

as i say.. i'm not a nazi or anything... just a fleeting thought.

 

That is called eugenics and was not only used by the nazis but many other nations as well.


you are going down a really dark path with this shit.

first of all how would you classify someone as stupid? and who would decide this?

the human race has always been full of very stupid people and we always will be.

also 2 stupid people can make a smart child and 2 smart people can make a stupid child.

so your idea has been done before with some very horrific results, try looking up eugenics and see where it lead to in the past.

or even better take your own advice and go get yourself a vasectomy

 

I have to agree, when someone states a sentance with 'i am not' you just know your going to hear a really offensive view and/or prejudice thought.
I wish some poeple would think a little more before they have children, with so much neglect and child abuse around, but this is very different to trying to stop people from breeding
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firstly.. it is true that 2 stupid ppl can make an intelligent baby... but it is also true that intelligence has a lot to do with nurture... and are stupid people capable of nurturing a child in a way to make it conciencious and respectfull...

or.. to put it bluntly... to chavs breed chavs regardless of starting intelect.

 

I find anyone trying to judge people as stupid as offensive as racism and homophobia.
would you like it if someone classed you as stupid, you would probably say your not, however I'm sure there are people out there that would think that you may fit into some stupid catorgies, starting this thread being one of them
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hm i just opened this post and i dont think smartie wrote it necessarily will the view that the opinion is one he owns, he stated it was a fleeting thought...and as such shouldnt be taken with such seriousness as it is...we all wonder many odd things and different times, it doesnt mean we think or believe everything that passes through our mind.

 

I think it's a legitimate question to ask, and I don't think smartie was suggesting eugenics is a good idea. Maybe he just didn't phrase it very well.

This thought has been around since the late 1860s, leading on from Darwin. It's true that cultural evolution may well have implications for biological evolution. Those less well adapted to survive are more likely to survive and breed than they ever have been in human history because of cultural factors which are themselves a result of evolutionary developments. It's interesting to think about how this will affect the future of the species.

 

No fault in the man querying his reality, there is no foul agenda he could be observing.

If you believe in the beauty of man and admire our achievments then it can be difficult to observe people who don't seem able to achieve. We all have different levels of inteligence and learning but shouldn't use just those attributes as markers of a succesful human being, life is far more than that.

 

indeed. this is the type of conversation i can imagine having with my best mate, and it would be had in the most lighthearted of ways. we certainly wouldnt be implying stupid people should be wiped out, and we wouldnt be trying to put a definition on 'stupid'. lighthearted humour is necessary. you cant always take everything too seriously. if it becomes serious and there is serious risk then take it seriously, otherwise let it be lighthearted jest...its when you start to avoid subject areas for fear of offence that issues arise

 

although I am sure you would tell your best mate when a subject might be deemed offensive if they discussed it in public
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i've joked around in the past that there are too many stupid people breeding, but i mean, come on ... what will be next, you are too white to have kids, you are too black, you're too fat, you're too thin ... you are too radically minded ... etc

and i also agree who is to say how we would define stupidity? would it be a lack of GCSE's or the equivalent, the inability to pass a driving test, maybe your IQ level, lack of common sense, in abiity to do math, inability to spell, read, or write?

I've known people that were Mensa level geniuses that honestly should never have children due to their lack of common sense and complete inability to even fit into society well themselves or take care of themselves well.

I've met people who have flunked out of school at a young age (say 10-12) who have had the most intelligent children that have gone on to be doctor's and such.

Until we get down to a "Gattaca" day and age where we are predetermined by our genetic code (which creeps me out to no end). I do not think it is fair to tell anyone that they simply CAN'T have children for any reason, unless they have shown themselves to be completely unfit.

 

I really liked the way you put that and I completely agree
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awww ... geez ... thanks much *blushes*

 

lets unite for the rights of stupid people world wide, how are we defining them again, cause I want to paint the posters
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well let's start with anyone who has an "L" plate. LOL definitely shouldn't breed

 

oooo... this got a big wierd.. sorry if i offended anyone..it was, as i said, a flippant thought at work i.



p.s. i think people who get too easily offended should be sterilised too

 

well thats ok cause I don't plan on having any children
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I think you have to have a bit of a thick skin when debating, especially on the internet with so many diverse and deviant opinions. I don't really think Smartie was advocating that opinion, as eugenics has a very very dark history and approaching it is more than non-pc, it is extremely dangerous to consider legitimising it. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed.


One thing I'd like to pick up on though, is the nature of intelligence.

Knowledge and wisdom may be down to nurture, but intelligence, I think, is largely genetic. What isn't genetic is opportunity. And economics can have as great an effect on the fate of a child as genetics can. If we want to lift more diamonds out of the rough, we must improve life chances at the economic level. This is one argument in favour of selection in state schools. I would be in favour of using grammar schools more widely, so that children who are intelligent and want to learn, and who are not wealthy enough to go to public school, can get a good education without being dragged down by peers who have no interest in learning.

 

well thats the thing, you do have to have a thick, skin, because otherwise how will people cope when others say their views are offensive?
if you want a good debate then you have to expect people to disagree with you, otherwise its pointless, and the thread would last for about 2 posts
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Of course, it's all about disagreement. And I do disagree with what Smartie said, even if he wasn't advocating eugenics. But I think hostile comments like those of Komokwa are unhelpful and detrimental to debate....