Is Obama socialist or fascist?

I hear Gerald Celente call him a fascist and I agree with everything that Celente saya but do u guy disagree??

 

fucking moronic statement

 

The neo-cons dig him right now because he disses Obama... predicting "Obamageddon" and what-not..:coffee:
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This^^^

 

He could be considered either. He is technically both. He is a fascist because he is a tool of the corporations which have merged with the state, but he is also socialist because he is seeking to expand the size and scope of the corporate-controlled state to control the population (always under the guise it's to help and protect people). However, the same can be said for ANY president -- Democrat or Republican. They are all corporate pawns seeking to increase the size of government. This is why whatever Obama is or is said to be is irrelevant since he is just a puppet and has no real say in things. If anyone is socialist or fascist, it's the people behind the curtain pulling Obama's strings.

Also, Gerald Celente is a fool and a sensationalist fearmonger, much like his cohort Alex Jones. I've been aware of him since at least 2005, and the guy has made so many false predictions it's not even funny anymore. I don't like people who get rich spreading fear through disinformation, though like all disinfo, there is also a large amount of truth to it. Celente hasn't said anything I don't already know.

 

In the academic world of political science he's generally regarded as a bit right of center but generally as a centrist. I would agree with that though it be a "necessary" oversimplification.

 

fascism and socialism both have clearly defined definitions and obama is not either
in case you forget what fascism is consider ddr under Hitler, and socialism consider the ussr - leaning in either direction doesn't equate any more with either definition than saying all christians are fascist closet homos and jews are socialist whelps

 

Idk I think Obama is a super blend of both sets of thoughts. Maybe the first breed of Socialfacism to date...

 

"Is Obama socialist or fascist"

I've decided that the use of these terms is wholly inadequate for the instant communications age & shows a startling dismissal of history. Calling anyone a fascist these days diminishes the horror of Nazi Germany; calling anyone a socialist diminishes the horror of the USSR. Calling a comic-book, media-produced character like Obama a fascist or a socialist reduces Hitler & Stalin to comic-book characters.

Obama is another corporate-military co-optee: he may be a comic-book character; Hitler & Stalin were not. The bailouts helped only executives of those failed companies, not their shareholders or investors, but rewarding failure in America has been a popular pastime @least since the end of the Vietnam War & probably since Nixon resigned in 1974. & I don't think steadfast reward of failure (recent examples: the boys that pushed for the wars in Iraq-Afghanistan) comes under the aegis of fascism or socialism or any other -ism. That comes under the aegis of desire for instant fame, instant wealth, instant legacy: the very best influential fecalcephalics can do.

 

sugar coat it all you want...

 

Chodpa doesn't know what he's talking about!! Obama is closest to a fascist, with socialist ideas around election year...

 

What's wrong with socialism - even mediocre socialism?

 

IMO Socialism is theft. Already the middle class is being robbed blind from "taxes." Our programs (such as food stamps) are flawed. For example, anyone who has a job or goes to college can't get food stamps. (even if you need them desperately.) But anyone who doesn't work or go to school IS entitled to food stamps, and this creates a lower class who doesn't want to work or go to school because they would lose the money they're getting from the system.

Socialism is a bad idea cause it makes the government even bigger. It's a better idea to let the people keep our money, and donate it to charities and such at will. Instead, the government STEALS our money and gives it to banks, the auto industry and, people who have no intentions of working for a living.

 

Social programmes are a litttle haphazard, and do require large state intervention.
I do not see them as 'big government', though.
They tend to encompasse large groups of people, and require large organisational impetus - you can't avoid that.
They also need reform.
It can be a catch 22.
I don't see that as 'socialism'.
I see it as helping those with out.
Most countries have such initiatives.
Even Islamic theocracies.

 

The real question you should ask is what is good about socialism.
If its such a great concept than why does it fail time and time again? Do you not remember all the starving citizens in russia waiting in lines for a loaf of bread when the govt run farms couldnt produce enough crops to feed them?
Or how bout assigned cinder block housing units? Do you not remember 20 years ago when N.Koreans where so hungry that some would raid graveyards to eat the dead? Or China's forced birthing laws that left parents making horrible decisions to kill their babies if they where female? Socialism actually gives more power to the eliteist and they live high on the hog as the rest suffer their bondage to the state.

 

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I don't think socialism is 100% a good idea.
I was wondering why some thought it was a bad idea.
I wanted to know what their perception of it was.

 

You've only given examples of society's run by assholes under the guise of socialism. Any governmental philosophy has the potential to be distorted by power-hungry pricks.

 

Maybe the REAL problem is government, and the trust they are given in socialism/communism. In other words, if our current government magically became socialist, they would still be corrupt. We'd be pumping more money into a government that steals our money, and spends it on, bailing their buddies out,government programs, wars, and, getting re-elected. Furthermore, I don't believe many governments are much different. So the desire among Liberals to pay the government more of our hard-earned money, frankly, blows my mind!

 

^^^Still on the left-right paradigm I see (sigh) and you missed my point. It's the assholes in charge, not the form of government.

 

No because socialism is part of the left-right paradigm. I just don't trust any Governments, socialism included..

 

That's not true.