Is Kobe Bryant admitting to rape?

Discussion in 'Women's Forum' started by moonshyne, Sep 1, 2004.

  1. moonshyne

    moonshyne Approved by the FDA

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    Since his rape charges have been dropped, he's made a few statements that seem a little....guilty. Or at the very least, it doesn't seem like the kind of stuff an innocent man would be saying. I don't know though, I hate to judge people like that, rape is such a harsh thing.

    stuff like this:
    Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

    and this:
    I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case.

    and this one:
    Bryant apologized to the victim “for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure."

    To me, this sounds pretty much like he's admitting he's guilty, or why else would he be apologizing? I was just wondering what everyone else thought about it.
     
  2. In The Moment

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    I think what he is saying is that at the time he believed it was consensual, but now, in hindsight, he admits his choices were poor. I have a strong belief in NO means NO, however, I also wouldn't go to a NBA players room at 3 in the morning just to 'talk'. I think they both share some blame in this situation. Only they know the truth, and as truth goes, it might be different for both of them

    Peace & Light
     
  3. lynsey

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    I am sorry I have never had bruises on my neck from sex. He is guilty.
     
  4. sgoddess28

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    GUILTY!!!!!!his money speaks for itself,what a scum bag
     
  5. xthevalkyriex

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    Yep, he's guilty.
     
  6. Jedi

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    To you he might seem "guilty", but may be it could be that he is sympathizing with his perceived victim? May be he is just a nice guy?
     
  7. Maggie Sugar

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    "I thought it was consensual, she probably didn't, Oh well."

    It is like saying, "The man who accused me of mugging him perceived it as a mugging, I just thought he was giving me his money. It is just a difference of opnion."

    No womyn in Colorado will feel safe procecuting a rapist again, unless she is a nun and can prove her virginity.

    He's sick rapist. I don't blame the VICTIM for dropping the charges, he has a LOT more money and recources than he does. And of COURSE his previous sexual activity was never brought up in court, nor could it be.

    This is a travesty.
     
  8. moonshyne

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    It seems like this will affect more than just women from colorado, it looks bad for all of us. The Judge seemed so biased right from the start, and the fact that he did all his power tripping for the entire nation to see without ever having to worry about the consequences is sick and disturbing.

    Fuck Kobe bryant, I think that judge has done more harm to that girl than Kobe could ever dream of doing. I mean he thoroughly fucked her over and bashed her character, isn't the system supposed to protect victims?
     
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  10. Paul Morphy

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    It's interesting how the women here are so certain that he's guilty, but I doubt any of you have been following the case closely enough to be able to base your pronouncments of guilt on any solid evidence. He's a man, she's woman; she claimed to be raped--so he must be guilty. Right? Perhaps before jumping to conclusions, you should take a few things into consideration, like her own character. God knows women have been making false rape allegations from the dawn of time--just like they falsely accuse their husbands of child abuse during bitter divorces--so that can't be ruled out. I think it would be a true travesty of justice if the judicial system would treat women as inferior and naively accept their accusations as somehow being more legitimate. Sorry, but Kobe has a right to a fair trial, and if someone accuses him of rape, then it has to be proven. Apparently they can't, so what can you do? We'll never going to know the truth, so I'm not going to proclaim him innocent or guilty--and I'm definitely not going to proclaim him innocent just because he's a man.
     
  11. sugrmag

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    He said Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.

    He said he recognizes that she did NOT view the incident in the same way he did (consensual). Consensual means all parties consent. Not just one.

    He basically said well, I didn't think I was raping her, but now I know that she thought that I was.

    You can THINK sex is consensual until pigs fly, if one person doesn't consent, IT ISN"T. bastard.
     
  12. Paul Morphy

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    Provided that she's the victim. And no, the system is not supposed to protect the victim, it's supposed to determine who's guilty and innocent, and unfortunately, the more money and power you have, the more likely you'll be found innocent, because you can afford better lawyers.

    I think that it's very important to take the accuser's character into consideration in a case such as this. How anyone can argue that this woman's accusations should be taken at face value is beyond me.

     
  13. sugrmag

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    How is that? Oh, I know. Are you going to say she's promiscuous? Well, IMO (I don't know the facts) if she were, then wouldn't she be bragging about having nailed a pro-basketball player?

    And so what if she did have sex with several people? Does that make her immune from rape?
     
  14. Paul Morphy

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    So if a woman has sex with a man, then later states that she did not give him explicit consent to have sex with her, she can then claim that she was raped? I don't think so. Participating in sexual activities without stating consent is consent. If this is not the case, then one has to ask whether Kobe gave her consent to have sex with him; if he didn't, perhaps it's she who raped him, then, isn't it?

    Incidently, there's much about the evidence to suggest that she wasn't raped:

    http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20040818_spilbor.html



     
  15. Paul Morphy

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    Well, apparently this distraught victim of rape had sex with another man within a day of being allegedly raped by Kobe. Is that normal rape-victim behaviour, I don't think so.

    There's absolutely no need for you ro make hyperbolic statements; I never said that because a person is "promiscuous" that they can't have their claims of being rape taken serious, I'm saying that her character has to be taken into consideration. And by character, I mean more than her sexuality.





     
  16. Jedi

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    Reality does not rely on the perception of a woman , but on the fact of what actually happened. He might think what he knows is what actually happened but from "her" perception, he is ofcourse guilty, therefore he says he is sorry.

    If he did rape her and got away with it, I don't think he would say anything about this issue.
     
  17. sugrmag

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    Ok, my last post here. When I said 'bastard' in my previous post, it wasn't directed at anyone here. It was directed at kobe bryant.

    Secondly, just want to say, no one really "knows" what happened that night except the woman and him. So, I think we should stop arguing with each other over the man's innocence. At least I will. My belief that he is a rapist is only my opinion, so I will leave it at that. Bye!
     
  18. thehipsterdufus

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    State of CO prosecution fees = approx. $300-400 thousand

    Kobe Bryant legal fees = approx. $12 MILLION

    Where is the justice?

    All that time, all that money, all the hoopla, all for NOTHING! No verdict, no trial, no admission by either party. Just a big waste of taxpayer money, although the local economy did see a bit of a boost.

    I think BOTH parties are wrong for being in the situation that they were allegedly in. He is MARRIED (for now, anyway).
     
  19. Soulless||Chaos

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    i'm not trying to make a point or anything, as i haven't been following the news on this nor do i have an opinion as to whether he is guilty or not, but maybe it was consentual at the time, but later she decided she would rather not have done it so it became rape to her. if someone after the fact decides it wasn't consentual, does that still make it rape? just curious as to people's thoughts...
     
  20. Paul Morphy

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    No, but then feminists came up with the term "date rape" to cover these situations, so in the eyes of feminists and their devotees, he is a rapist.

     

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