Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. mcme

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    And here in the United States you're allowed to have and voice your opinion. It doesn't make it right, it doesn't override anyone else's, and it definitely doesn't affect the 2nd ammendment.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Sure.
    Although public opinion does affect governmental policy making including amendments to the Constitution.

    In other words, if public opinion changes the 2nd could change or even be repealed just as the 18th was. Six amendments have never been ratified and four of those are still pending, the Child Labor Amendment, the Congressional Apportionment Amendment, the Titles of Nobility Amendment, and the Corwin amendment.
     
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  3. Toecutter

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  4. MeAgain

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    For now. Remember there was support for the 18th for awhile.
    So all you are pointing out is that a large majority of people are in a mode of fear due to misinformation, propaganda, and a lack of understanding.
    Just becasue these states pass laws allowing virtually anyone to walk around city streets with a Glock, shotgun, or assault weapon doesn't mean it's right or healthy for society.

    Panic buying of guns, panic enactment of stupid laws, fear of each other, etc. We're really in a sad state of affairs when we believe the answer to all our problems lies in everyone carrying a gun around with them at all times.

    I'm sorry but when I see someone walking through a Walmart parking lot with an assault weapon I don't feel saver, I get the hell out of there.
     
  5. Toecutter

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    You have actually seen this with your own eyes at your local Walmart ?

    Not on the 6:00 news ?
     
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  6. scratcho

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    The more things change, the more they remain the same. When I was a kid in the 40s--50s--I and my friends could walk through or around town with 22s, shot guns , etc with no one saying anything. Many pickups had weapons in full view on racks in the back window. I don't ever remember hearing of a gun getting stolen off a window rack.We, of course were always heading outside of town to shoot rabbits or ground squirrels or just to plink around. Man, has the world changed and yet stayed the same? Makes me a little nervous to think any person walking the street could be armed with no training, no background check for mental impairment, criminal background check----yeah--not sure this is going to work out.

    Especially all the hot heads, political and otherwise walking about these days. Since trump has been on the scene, civil discourse has taken a big time hit.
     
  7. scratcho

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    PS: Haven't shot living creatures since I was a kid.:)
     
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  8. Toecutter

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    @scratcho
    Kids are still do this today, taught right from wrong by responsible parents, just as you were, as I was, as I have done with my children
     
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  9. MeAgain

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    I don't understand why you're asking this. I have seen it at flea markets and a few other places I can't think of right now. Why do I have to see it?
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Yes, times were different back then. I can't think of one WWII vet who would carry a firearm down the street in my local town. Kids did shoot 22s and shotguns but as you said only for hunting or on their own property or somewhere they were allowed to do that.

    I still remember my WWII veteran father being shocked when he found out people could carry assault style weapons around town. He couln't understand why they were allowed or why they would want to.

    I agree with you. In PA any 18 year old buy an assault style weapon with an unlimited magazine size at a local flea market with no background check, registration or wait period and then openly carry it around anyplace except when in Philly and maybe Pittsburgh city limits, and some other restricted areas, at any time they want to.
    Sure boosts my feelings of safety knowing 18 year males can walk around that way.
     
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  11. Flagme15

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    How valid is the opinion of people who don’t know that there are more than two amendments.
     
  12. Toecutter

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    You are promoting misinformation and fear,

    Critical to anyone who dares answer with anything other than condemning guns,

    You purchased a gun out of fear, yet no one else is should be able to purchase what they want,
    Because you believe it’s out of some perceived fear that is not worthy.

    The reason you purchased a gun is dead, yet you still have your gun’s.

    What makes you any better than anyone else?
     
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  13. MeAgain

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    How am I promoting misinformation? Please correct any facts I have incorrectly stated.
    Here is Walmart's policy as of 2019:
    Note there are no restrictions about open carrying in the parking lot.
    So you can carry your gun from your car to the doors of the store, and you would be save from attack presumably. But then you have to turn around and carry it back to your car, leave it there, and then walk back to the store....liable to attack.....?
    Maybe they'll install gun racks at the door, something like bike racks to chain your gun up to or provide gun lockers or safes for hire before entering so you safely cross that parking lot?

    When have I condemned all guns?

    I never purchased a gun out of fear. I already owned the guns I kept in my home, never taking them out in public when I was in the situations I talked about.
    I never said no one should be allowed to purchase a gun, please don't attribute that to me. I do agree that the type of gun people can buy should be regulated, as it is, but to a greater degree.

    What I am saying is that many people buy guns out of irrational fears, not that all fear is irrational, nor that all gun purchases or uses are irrational. Why does it seem you are taking this as a personal assault on you?

    I still own a few guns as they are collector items and or inherited, except for a 410 I purchased when I lived in a pretty remote area.
    I've often thought about selling them, but I'm too lazy.
    Took me ten years to sale the two motorcycles I never used.
     
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  14. Toecutter

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    The above is what you should have said in post # 1351
     
  15. MeAgain

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    I could be wrong, but you seem to think these open carry laws are a good thing.

    I've been thinking about it and I can't seem to figure out why they're needed.
    Just why do you think we need open carry laws?

    Why should I care if I can openly carry my Bushmaster around in a Walmart parking lot.
    I really don't get it.

     
  16. Toecutter

    Toecutter Senior Member

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    Correct
     
  17. MeAgain

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    Thanks for clarifying that.

    So my first point:
    Many pro 2nd gun owners live in constant irrational fear of being assaulted and believe that guns will protect them even though statistics contradict that belief and in fact point out that there are many more much dangerous threats to their health and well being.
     
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  18. Toecutter

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    Statistics are easily manipulated to push a narrative in the direction desired,

    You did not get a gun out of fear, right ?
     
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  19. MeAgain

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    Are you saying that statistics and probability analysis are worthless?
     
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  20. Toecutter

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    You are living proof that the statistics are not accurate
     

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