Is it time to Destroy the Islamic World?

I have no personal answer for this question but I thought I might ask it in hopes to gain some insights and suggestions.
If only 'Hypothetical' it would be interesting to me.

Is it time to for the 'West' to destroy the Islamic world?

Here are some conditions and disclaimers - of course this is refering to the 'Islamic' nations as we known them and their governments and way of life.

[Not refering to individual muslims as a religious issue]

Im also refering to destroying their governments and rulers and clerics etc.
Obviously we dont want to kill Civilians.

We could start by kidnapping their leaders (i.e. Shaw of Iran) and then executing them and releasing the tapes to the Middle East.
(Unlike the cowards from Al Quaida we will only execute actual leaders and do it mercifully).

Then we simply attack their nations.
Not these 'liberation' things or 'defensive' attacks either but full-scale takeovers in which we destroy anything that stands in our way?

Any thoughts on this idea?

 

The Western world has many people that need to be dealt with too, this isn't just against the Islamic world though, if it was up to me, the free people of the world would go out and spread freedom to everyone else.

 

Let's keep in mind that we (the US in particular) once supported most of the rulers and clerics you speak of, and with most of them we still do.

No, it isn't time to destroy the Islamic World. It's time to destroy ignorance and realize that most of the people in power over in these Middle Eastern countries are not a whole heck of a lot worse than some of the people who are in power in this country (and Europe for that matter).

How would Americans feel if Iraqi Muslims invaded their land and took over their government, and replaced it with one they found to be favorable? People never take the time to ask themselves such a simple question like that.

 

Um, we didnt realy have to ask. You could see it on the faces of the people that survived Sadams' slaughters. You could see it on the faces that he ruled. And you can certainyl see it now that thewy see they are going to get their freedom. You can see it now that they understand we are not leaving this time. That we are there to finnish the job.

The Christian in me remebers "Thou shalt not kill", the human in me says destroy those evil bastards.

 

YES!
I can feel our appetite for it.
If not for the entire Islamic World, then at least the Arab World.

We've finnished slaughtering and digesting the entire New World.
We did a good job here in the New World devouring a people who dared to be as free as the wind; the freest people on earth.

Now our appetite to feed our divine manifest destiny is again aroused, and we are drooling at the mouth.

 

Interesting responses!

I think m6m made a good clarification on saying 'The Arab World' more so than 'The Islamic world'.
Not to make a game of definitions but I was mainly thinking of The 'Arab Middle East'.. not so much Indonesia or 'Muslim Phillipines' (sp?)

In my hypothetical example I was not even considering 'Us' = 'The US'.
Certainly nothing to do with Manifest Destiny either.

I was more thinking about having an 'Alliance' ala WW2 and treating 'The Islamic World' much the same way we attacked the 'Third Reich' (which had spread over numerous countries).

So for example, Russia would simply move to aggresively attack and fully control and own Chechnya.
The Americans would go in to attack and conquer Syria and Iraq, Iran ..
Brits, Canucks and Aussies might work on taking over Egypt and UAE and so on.
We could foresee India annexing Pakistan (after annihilating its infrastructure)
And who knows.. maybe even the 'Asian' nations would support us in exchange for some resources etc?

Personally, I believe it would take take about 6 months to run all the 'Enemies' into Saudi Arabia, where they would join forces for one final stand 'In the Name of Allah' and from there we could efficiently kill all the Muslim 'Jihadists' at our own discretion.

We could also videotape how Jihadists were being destroyed and easily defeated (when in an actual battle) and then air that on Al Jizarha every night.

i still cant say if there is a place for Israel in this scenario but certainly they would provide no end of intelligence (and yes.. they ARE smarter than most people)

They would certainly need to arm themselves because Jihadists, realising they are weak and Allah is not saving them from destruction - will certainly try and kill Israel before they themselves are killed.

Does anyone see a reason an Alliance could not destroy the 'Islamic Middle Eastern world?'

 

Brocktoon, that is the worst idea ever. Why the hell would we want to totally distrup an already edgy region? What you're talking about does sound a bit like WW2, but with us playing to role of the Evil Nazi Empire. "We don't like the way you do things, even though you haven't done anything against us, so we're going to destroy all of your countries." Are you just some sort of modern crusader? And why shouldn't these countries have the right to rule themselves? What the hell kind of mentality exists out there today that it seems ok to just invade and conquer countries that are peaceful towards us (even if not wholely cooperating, like Iran on their nukes...which I don't see why we can have nukes but no one else can...hypocricy much?)

Kidnapping and executing their leaders and clerics? Yes, and America (or the West) will be EXACTLY THE SAME as the terrorists we wish to destroy. Don't try to be like, "oh we'd be merciful to them" because it's the same thing.

It's also funny that you think it'd be so easy to beat these countries. Pakistan, remember, has nuclear weapons, and in such a scenario would use them. We'd be fighting like, 15 countries (Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Oman, Yemen, Egypt, Algeria, Lybia...). And such an obvious attack to Islam would bring in the Philipines and Indonesia and every Muslim everywhere. That's a fucking lot of people. This would be a huge fucking war, and for what? Because we don't like Muslims? Ridiculous.

What's worse is that you act like all the problems in the world are due to the Islamic world. Just like Hitler blamed all of Germany's problems on the Jews. We in the West have our share of problems too, and they have nothing to do with Islam.

I can't believe anyone would even seriously consider such a stupid idea. Please tell me this is a parody or a joke.

 

Obviously, people do. I believe that it stems from people believing that Islam preaches killing "infidels" wherever they are found, to conquer nations to spread Islam and so forth. A combination of that and the countries whose governments are intimately tied to a religion that teaches that, I think, leads some people to believe the response this thread suggests, is appropriate.

I personally think that logic is flawed. Islam, at its core is (I hope) a peaceful, tolerant religion. I'm no scholar on the issue, though.

My instincts are that these Islamic countries need a reform such as Martin Luther provided for Christianity; not for a "free peoples everywhere" to liberate them through war. That's just the crusades all over again; and short of a pre-emptive nuclear attack on all those countries at once, I think we'd be fooling ourselves into thinking that we'd actually win that war.

 

The "Shah" of Iran hasn't been in power for 25 years. Shouldn't someone who is suggesting taking over and destroying the Islamic world know this?

 

Looks like someone hasn't learned from history....

 

I should clarify - I wasnt really targeting Reza Pahlavi or really even Shaw(h?)s in particular.
Just throwing out the idea that we could assasinate leadership, i.e. Shahs, Ayottaloa's, Emirs or whatever the titles are.

See, The Jihadists kill women and children (especially Russian Children) and we (an Alliance) would certainly not lower ourselves to their level.

Im not advocating executing the Islamic Leaders on tape and airing it on Middle-eastern News (to terrorise and humiliate them) - Im just posing the question.

One nice thing about it.. Once all the 'Fundamentalists' are defeated along with all their power and infrastructure etc.. It would give the Muslims interested in Reformation lots of power.

Personally I think the Russians would simply stomp the hell out of Chechnya and anyone who even looked at them funny.
I definately would be concerned the Arabs would pull a 'Saddam' and instead of fighting fair - they would sneak attack Israel with nukes and chemicals in spite.

Well it worked with the Nazi's and the world is a better place for it.
Cant see why it wouldnt be much much easier to over-throw and take over the entire Middle East?

 

You know Brocktoon, your authorship of this hate-inspired thread comes as absolutely no suprise to me... as 'rhetorical' as it may seem to you. It is a thin mask for a very disturbing fundamentalism which beats like poison in your heart.

 

I'm sure Hitler felt just as justified in his hate-filled theories as Brocktoon in his....

 

i can't even begin to say how disgusted i am at the racism, ignorance and hatred in this thread. it sickens me.

 

I totally agree with Sera, Kitty, m6m, and you Pop. what ridiculous, uninformed, childish rhetoric. It would be laughable if it wasnt so dangerous.
Poison indeed.
Love alone can conquer hate.
There is only one race, the human race.
Allah u akbar.
God is great.

 

Do you realize just how much pure unadulterated hate would be created if we kidnapped all the Arab leaders and assasinated them? The western world would most likely be destroyed by a torrent of nuke-carrying suicide bombers. Seriously.

 

This thread got me wondering... How long until America busts out the nukes..? And what then..?

 

Nothing against you personally Brocktoon, but the question you ask is, as far as I can recall, the stupidest one I have ever heard.
Why don't we just kill every person we disagree with?
My world welcomes Muslims, and I love them.
Do you even realize there are over 6 million Muslims in the US?
How would they react?
I guess the only possibly positive thing that I can imagine coming out of your hateful idea, is if there is such a thing as the apocalypse, that would surely start it. Then, at least, we would maybe get to start over. I would hope love for each other and our planet would be stronger afterwards than it is now.

 

Doing that turns our government and by default our country into a giant terrorist organization. Like everyone else has said, it would be a nightmare. I can't even believe this idea is being considered by anyone, and replied to by myself or anyone else, so great is it's stupidity.

 

What then?

armageddon, of course