Is Donald Trump More Valuable to Democrats IN Office?

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  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Whatever his value to the Democrats or the media, he's a danger to the country and the world every day he's in office. Who knows what he'll do next?
     
  2. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

    TrudginAcrossTheTundra Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Pretty scary indeed! Someone who speaks his mind, doesn't take sh!t, has a sense of business, leads the country back on a path of production, blows off special interest people, criticizes those who make no sense, ... What terrible characteristics for a president!

    Only time will tell, folks. Meanwhile, careful not to get your panties in a wad...
     
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Someone who finds it hard to get through a sentence without telling at least one lie, who puts his own interest above that of the country, a draft dodger, has the business sense of Bernie Madoff (think Trump U), is leading the country down the path of perdition, has his cabinet staffed by special interest people, savages anybody critical of him--yes, pretty terrible characteristics for a president. Time will tell, but I don't think this will end well for our country. Yeah, I'd call that pretty scary indeed!
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    And he's also a sexual predator and has sex with a porn star soon after his wife gives birth, insults allies of the United States, praises dictators, insults war heroes and their families, gives away state secrets to our enemies, meets with the leaders of our enemies in private with no records kept or other Americans present, attacks his own intelligence services and government officials, and declares himself a stable genius.

    Meanwhile we shouldn't be concerned.
     
  5. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

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    Well when you put it that way


    It really is a bit of a joke at this point that there are still people out there who think he's a perfectly acceptable leader and even worse, are still trying to convince the rest of us of it
     
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  6. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    and the fact that this largely describes every president and presidential candidate, is the reason that someone like trump was able to get elected.
     
  7. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    The fact is that it doesn't. He's in his own special category, contrasting most starkly with his immediate predecessor, Obama, who , though human, was nothing like this sorry SOB.
     
  8. fraggle_rock

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    No it doesn't, unless you only listen to Fox and Breitbart.
    Trump is not normal.

    There are degrees of corruption/questionable behavior that are par for the course... what is happening now has gone far far beyond anything we have ever seen before.
     
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  9. I'minmyunderwear

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    i didn't say that trump is normal, i said that the fact that all presidents are corrupt in generally the ways described above is what allowed something like trump to happen.
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Oh really?
     
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  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    All presidents are corrupt is a very general statement. Sure all presidents are human and all humans have flaws, but there are degrees of flawed individuals and degrees of corruption.

    If we were to rank all presidents in order of their general corruption a few names would certainly float to the top. Nixon, Andrew Johnson, Jackson, etc. But others would hardly even enter into the discussion, Obama and Carter come to mind immediately.

    Trump came to office because of jaded individuals who don't know much about history and were looking for someone who was willing to lie to them and tell them what they wanted to hear.
    To say that all presidents are corrupt therefore we should vote for the most corrupt individual we can find is a glaring lack of logic and understanding of our system of government and national principles.
    People voted for Trump because he has a big mouth, is a bully, and has a tremendous ego, all characteristics that his voters wished they had so that they could push others out of their way to get their own objectives.

    They made a deal with Trump, "we'll forgive your flaws because you'll give us what we want," thinking he would uphold his end of the bargain.
    But when you make deals you have to understand the individual you're dealing with.
    Trump has less honor than the devil. At least when you deal with the devil he upholds his end of the bargain.
     
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  12. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    Yeah. Some did, no doubt; there's something I can agree with.

    Whichever side of the tracks one's from, I think we can all agree he's got us thinking and rethinking "business as usual".
     
  13. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    And let's not forget the supreme court - that's not somewhere we really want losers to reside, eh?

    Shouldn't everyone here (legally) agree we want the country to be fair to all constituents and strong to the outside world?

    The guy may have weird and demanding tactics (which are, or appear to be rude - "New York values" hehe) but in the end result, it's less about the means.
     
  14. Meliai

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    ^new yorkers hate him and have known he's a con man for a few decades now. I dont think he represents New York values
     
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  15. Okiefreak

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    Who could forget the Supreme Court, or the rest of the federal courts? Just what we need: to have an unprincipled demagogue staff them with his flunkies. I emphatically agree we want the country to be fair to all constituents and strong to the outside world, which is exactly why I don't like a President who thinks only of his base and is destroying U.S alliances.
     
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  16. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Has Louis Gomert asked him if he looked into his wife's eyes?
     
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  17. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    i never said that we should vote for the most corrupt individual. this is why i don't get into the political discussions here, there's literally no way to win because nobody listens to anything and no matter what you say your words will be twisted into something completely different that fits the argument that so-and-so is trying to make.

    personally, i think what we should do is vote for whoever best represents what we believe in, but i've read enough posts on here to know that about 30 different people are about to instantly jump on me and say that that idea only makes things worse because all that matters is democrat versus republican and trying to actually fix the system is just letting the republicans win for now and so on and so on.
     
  18. Meliai

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    Actually, that idea only makes things worse because all that matters is democrat versus republican and trying to actually fix the system is just letting the republicans win for now and so on andso on.
     
  19. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    We mustn't forget... most "Americans" (US) were educated by our exemplary (ahem) public education system. Now ranked what in world rankings???
     
  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Sorry if you thought I said that you said we should vote for the most corrupt man possible to be president.
    I was merely pointing out that that's what happened.
    I can't help it if many people thought that the most corrupt candidate was the one that represented what they believed in. I'm just stating that I think the country is in serious trouble when a man like Trump represents the beliefs of so many Americans.
     

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