Is Conscious made out of atoms?

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  1. Wolfman's Brother

    Wolfman's Brother Member

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    We are entirely made out of atoms,do you think that consciousness is made out of atoms as well? An single atom does not know that it exist,but a big group of atoms with time starts to question their existence.

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  2. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Everything is comprised of atoms, including the brain. A brain will question it's existence, a rock, also comprised of atoms, will not. Not everything questions its own existence.

    Consciousness, from the evidence we have, is merely an idea. A thought. Cogito ergo sum. I think therefore I am. I think therefore I'm conscious. We say thought is proof of consciousness.

    We can be conscious of things that do not exist in the atomic world. Those are ideas. They are not made of atoms, the brain is. Consciousness is a thought. Thoughts are not made of atoms.

    Can something comprised of atoms exist if nothing is conscious of it's existence?
     
  3. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    there is no consciousness elemnt on the periodic table.
     
  4. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    God I hope not... I might headbang too hard at a concert and nuke the place. =0
     
  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    More likely, consciousness consists of energy. Atoms are units of matter. Crude mechanistic models of reality are yielding to a new postmechanistic paradigm in which materialism as the sole explanation of physical reality becomes untenable. (See Davies and Gribbon, The Matter Myth).
     
  6. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    To my understanding, we can't prove that consciousness exists outside of that which is conscious. Therefore how can we prove that it consists of energy, independant of the body of energy, I.E. a human, that is experiencing it. It is a product of the human energy, not energy itself.
     
  7. Okiefreak

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    I said "more likely', because energy and matter are the ingredients of contemporary physical models of reality. One thing we can be sure of, if we can be sure of anything, is that consciousness does not consist of matter, as the term is used in physics. Atoms seem unlikely candidates, because our experience of consciousness is of a non-material phenomenon, although consciousness seems to depend on physical activity (atoms) in the brain. I personally don't think it's likely that consciousness exists independent of the body. But nobody has yet proved this scientifically. It's possible, of course, that consciousness is "something else'--not matter, not vegetable, not animal, vegetable or mineral.
     
  8. tikoo

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    i'll assume not . so , the microbe attached to a rock allows it smash
    my head even though I don't see it coming . although shy , the
    microbe is concious by life-definition . it can die alone .
     
  9. relaxxx

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    Everything is physics, that's why there is quantum physics, electrons are the physics of moving magnetic fields.

    They can read brain activity, it is an electro-magnetic physical substance.
    They are far from FULLY decoding it, of course, because brains are billions of times more complex than our best technology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8iEogscUl8"]Reading minds - YouTube
     
  10. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    I think consciousness arises due to some mechanism of quantum mechanics such as quantum entanglement....2 entangled particles are each conscious of what the other is doing over arbitrary distances and the communication is instantaneous. Since they are entangled the light speed limit doesn't apply.
     
  11. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    a psychic can read , too . we are entangled or not as we choose ?
     
  12. lunarverse

    lunarverse The Living End

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    Brain activity could/may be a physical phenomenon just as the activity of our stomach and bowels are. But the result of the activity, thought, consciousness is still an intangible thing.
     
  13. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    The gigs of data on my thumbdrive would be pretty intangible too if there were no computers to interface with it.
     
  14. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    This is what I tried to say on deepblues communicating with planets thread. yay...someone finally said what I apparently could not get across in words.
     
  15. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    The only things psychics can read is human nature. Peoples tendencies and gullibilities, mixed with delusion and fraud.
     
  16. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    That sounds like plain old fashioned social engineering
     
  17. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Yet you think reading minds as a scientifically technical ability is not indefinitely far off by virtue of encephalograms. The mind is abstract.
     
  18. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    if you would through philosophy examine the nature of thought as
    substance , then consider the psychic experience seriously . the
    blather of catagorical scientific doubt about it is crazy , science
    being a dicipline that the irrational practice .

    conciousness must be openly relational . this is both ethical and
    definitive .
     
  19. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    This morning I merged my mind with my iPad, computer and shit.i could read Wikipedia telepathically through my iPad :D
     
  20. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    static artificial intelligence is telepathetic . the only robot i can
    respect gives pure randomness . it is touchable .
     

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