Iraq was a holy war.

I find this new information very troubling. We hear a lot about Islamic extremists I think soon the world will be talking about Christian extremists.

The fact that cabinet members found it acceptable to lace official reports and documents with Bible verses is unacceptable. If this is how they were spreading democracy I want no part of their Christian jihad.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_9217

Slideshow of cover sheets:

http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret

 

It was wholly unnecessary.

 

I believe this was already posted in the 'America Attacks' forum.

I don't believe going into Iraq had anything to do with religion (at least not the one Bush purported to be an adherent of), but that's what the propagandists would like us to believe. The media would have us believe that going into Iraq was planned by Bush himself, but anyone who knows the truth knows that Bush is just a puppet and made none of his own decisions. The Iraq war was planned years before Bush even took office, by the Project for the New American Century working side-by-side with the Council on Foreign Relations.

Going into Iraq was all about taking control of that region, building permanent military bases, and using it as a launch pad for further military operations in the region. The notion it had to do with Bush and his so-called faith is simply a diversion from the aforementioned facts.

We all know Bush's real allegiance is not with God or the bible, but his Skull & Bones fraternity brothers. He simply used the facade of religion for political purposes. Most of what people saw in Bush was an act -- everything from the fake Texas accent, to the cowboy hat, to the swagger, to the religious stuff. The man is as fake as a three dollar bill, and to some it is all too transparent.

The stuff posted in GQ -- a mindless fluff magazine -- is designed only to incite moronic, reactionary liberals into further embracing the good cop/bad cop mentality, so they will then look to Obama as the rational savior who will reverse all of zealot Bush's bad deeds (when in reality he is furthering them under the guise of different rhetoric).

 

I don't think I mentioned Obama.

What I am offended by is the overt Biblical references on official government documents. There's no good cop bad cop crap involved. I was not aware it had been mentioned before. I've been gone for a while.

 

*Patronising tone alert* *Patronising tone alert*

Where are the permanent bases and what control does America have?

I'm not quite sure how it makes it a "Holy War"...as muslims are fighting with us...to defeat a common enemy.

 

CQ is not the only source of this information the Military Religious Freedom Foundation has been reporting abuses for quite some time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/mrffs-response-to-rumsfel_b_204404.html

If it took coverage by CQ to bring it out in the open well good for CQ at least they not playing the same games as most of the mainstream media.

 

I wonder how the the muslims feel about being converted?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/the-great-commission-and_b_105306.html

 

I found it on:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...t-Bushs-Iraq-briefings-came-quotes-Bible.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8056207.stm

...and many other places.

Abuses? What do you mean, abuses?

I think people are reading way to much into all of this.

Religious war...pfft. On this flimsy evidence...I'm not convinced.

If anything it looks like "inspirational words" as ridiculous as it is...it does not constitute the notion of "Holy Wars"...as like I said, Muslims are fighting with us too. Explain that?

 

Now the US military is burning bibles. That's change I can believe in.

 

There is a prohibition on sending in religious materials contrary to Islam into the area.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/the-great-commission-and_b_105306.html

 

How does all that square with the burning of the books article?
I'll ask again, If it is a religious war...how come muslims are fighting with us?

 

this sounds more like what samuel l. jackson said before he killed people in pulp fiction than anything crusade related. ...just for dramatic effect. a clever way to say "fuck you."

...still a fucking stupid public relations idea.

 

I pleased to hear that the contraband was destroyed. I am not sure who you are referring to when you refer to muslims fighting with us. I would assume you mean the Iraqi forces. Its their country and I am glad they can see past a few radical christian elements that are trying to subvert what is supposed to be our purpose in their country. I have never really been clear on why we are there but as a US citizen I would hope that it was not the christian conversion of their country.

 

It is easy to find out the stated goals or "mission" in Iraq.
I won't patronise you by telling you...you can find the information quite easily...if you so choose.

I do mean the Iraqi army...who are predominantly Muslim.
It is a good thing that: "they can see past a few radical christian elements that are trying to subvert what is supposed to be our purpose in their country".

I appreciate the OP is a little dodgy...even ridiculous.
But a few religious passages doesn't really consitute a "Holy War" does it?
If you were being fair and reasonable that is...which I don't think you are being. Sorry.


United States Commission on International Religious Freedom

 

Holy War was used in the title in order to keep it short. I do find it unsettling that a cabinet minister found it appropriate to use Bible verses on his cover sheets.

As to our mission in Iraq was that WMD, Al Qaeda or the physical threat to the US that Iraq posed?

 

H. Ross Perot. now there a name that hasn't been mentioned in awhile... I wonder what the state of affairs would be now if he had been elected

 

Considering what happens when one Koran gets burned I'd say we're a long way from Christian extremism.

I think the victims of Christian fundamentalists in the US military are the athiest and agnostic US soldiers, not Iraqis or Afghans.

 

Come on.
Using that term means something.
You are not daft enough to think otherwise.
You could have said a myriad of other things.

If you can say: We are not in a "Holy War"...that would clarify things.
Thanks.

All three.

 

Actually I pulled it from the article in HuffPo. And after doing more research I am not sure some don't and didn't see it as such. Why did Rumsfield choose to incorporate the verses in his reports?

It's prohibited under General Order 1 to proselytize any religion, faith or practice while in military service. Was he promoting it? It appears activities along these lines have been allowed to take place.

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2009/05/06/us-soldiers-in-afghanistan-told-to-hunt-people-for-jesus/

Sounds like it was and is a holy war to this guy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/mr-president-elect-please_b_149763.html

As to the reasons for war haven't they all been proven to be based on false evidence? My question was what is our purpose for being there currently.

 

One of my concerns is the safety of our personnel in that area if this bible thumping continues. Passing out coloring books and comics showing the prophet may extend our presence in the area because of renewed conflict fueled by extremists on both sides no matter what their motives may be.

And I agree I think the athiests and agnostics are discriminated against. And that too should be stopped.