Discussion in 'Independent Living' started by Libertine, Dec 22, 2007.

  1. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

    In this class I will attempt to demonstrate to you various ways to live "independently" of social roles that have trapped most of the working class.

    You don't have to feel trapped anymore.

    There are still ways and methods you can use in order to get by and even flourish. The degree of which depends on you. If you want to half-way "drop out" and still enjoy the benefits of our consumer capitalist roles, then you can do that OR if you want to completely abandon those roles, you can do that as well (although it may take more time and definitely more resources).

    Before the first class (which I will begin Wednesday night after Christmas), I will demonstrate to you various methods of the FIRST THING you must do -- GET OUT OF DEBT!!

    For interesting reading up until that point, I recommend reading "STEAL THIS BOOK" by Abbie Hoffmann, which is loaded with "freebies" to help begin your journey.

  2. Faye

    Faye Member

    Thats sounds awsome what u r speaking of is something I have been wanting to do for about three years now and now I am finally getting an oppurnity to learn how!
  3. Whiskers123

    Whiskers123 Member

    Dont buy that book. It promotes theft. I started reading on and it teaches people how to steal food from restaurants and other people. This is disgusting. I am sure the book has some good tips on how to get free food legally but since it promotes thief, if you have any morals you wont support the author.

    Its disgusting it even talks about stealing from supermarkets.
  4. Tiedyedsoul

    Tiedyedsoul Member

    Why would you censor yourself so blindly? Just because you disagree with something someone wrote doesn't mean that something else they write is garbage. Abbie Hoffman, (the author, one of the Chicago Seven, co-founder of the Yippies, and author of Woodstock generation) wrote this as one way to break free from the chains society places on you, which is what I consider to be 'Living Independently'. I wouldn't reccomend following the book blindly, but it is a worthy read, at least for this course.
  5. Whiskers123

    Whiskers123 Member

    Cause I have morals and wont support a book that promotes stealing. I dont want to give her to profit from promoting stealing. If she is willing to steal food from people who are willing to work hard for it then she does not deserve my business or anybody elses for that matter. (I may boycott her other books now that I know about this) Even if some of the book has some good ideas I just wont support such a disgusting thing like stealing food. This is the kind of thing that gives hippies a bad name.

    I guess shes dead... so I dont have to worry about not supporting her other books. I still dont think its a good idea to support this one though. That is if you feel stealing from people is wrong.

    So instead you can read the book for free here.
  6. Alaxsxa

    Alaxsxa Member

  7. J-Bo

    J-Bo Member

    Abbie Hoffman isn't a she.
  8. I don't tink you understand, a lot of the book is blantanly sarcastic. He wrote mainly to inflame certain people, notice the title, most book sellers wouldn't even carry it. Abbie Hoffman was a genius at manipulating the media. He made up so much shit that the media latched on to and publicized. Like when he gathered a huge crowd and told the government and the media that he was going to levitate the pentagon using witchcraft, and the media beleived him. You really have to understand the whole scenario to recognize his talent. This book really isn't a guide to do this stuff, you have to understand the context.

    Oh, and it's a he. He is dead, so he won't be making any profit. And if you are so against stealing, why are you reading the book online illeagaly?

    And furthermore, I don't think you understand the aim of this class. It's supposed to be about moving away from the capitilist veiwpoint you have. We arn't trying to work inside the parameters of a broken system, we are trying to establish a different system.

    And stealing food from a large coorperation is just a way to survive, when you look at the attrocities they are commiting, stealing a little bit of food from some faceless big buisness is not a big deal. Property is the real theft, and your just taking what you need. In a perfect world we would live on a gift economy, but that is not the case. Big buisness hordes the resources and you must work for them to survive.

    This class should be about breaking the cycle of working to live and living to work; in my opinion.
  9. J-Bo

    J-Bo Member

    Great post! You hit the nail on the head, man!
  10. am i missing something or did the class just stop
  11. tomo_tate

    tomo_tate Member

    There is so much with society today that is wrong wrong wrong! Abbie Hoffman was trying to show people..lead people by example how to be a free thinker. How to make things happen because they are POSSIBLE. So many people are afraid to stand up to the man. Because of that, they are mice on a wheel, moving so fast that they don't realize they have gone absolutely no where.

    STEAL THIS BOOK is not for everyone. It is for me.
  12. astrialkiss

    astrialkiss Member

    I read this book back in the 70s. I loved it then. I wouldm't mind re reading it.
  13. squawkers7

    squawkers7 radical rebel

    I got the book from "Barnes & Noble" earlier this week. At first glance I thought it was a pretty cool book, but after actually reading some of it I have decided that it just ain't for me.
  14. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

    I'd just like to point out that the author never asked anyone to support his works.

    In fact, he even put in a really really prominent place, a suggestion of how to get the book without paying for it.

    Imagine that...
  15. Raskalization

    Raskalization Making plans for Nigel

    I haven't learned a thing from this this book, is that it?
  16. Spaced06

    Spaced06 Member

    I've figured out my way of living off the grid, partialy at least. Learn how to juggle, travel, and earn money with your juggling. If you go to the right places you can earn 100 dolars in a night, or so I've heard from some people living like this. I'll be trying that out for a month next year, to see how it works. It sounds like such a liberating way of life, and you get to travel!
  17. Raskalization

    Raskalization Making plans for Nigel

    Can you juggle? I'd be interested to see how you get on with that, good luck :)
  18. Spaced06

    Spaced06 Member

    Yeah, I play double fire staff, poi and dexil stix. I've been planing to do a video for several months, but I don't have a camera, and that's rather inconvenient.
  19. coolrayfruge

    coolrayfruge Member

    I've been looking for a way to break away from the sytem.
    Be self sufficaint.
    Sold my house and got a motorhome.
    Installed solar panels on it.
    Would like to learn to live off the land.
    Maybe find others with the same goal.
    Break free of the dependency of the system completly.
    Tired of the greedy and control it has over us financually.
    I'm not for capitalism or communism.
    Just total freedom and independence.
    I believe people ,not money is the answer to the world's problems.
    People organizing ,working together ,caring for one another.
  20. coolrayfruge

    coolrayfruge Member

    Greed ,hate ,predjudice,sefishness arrogance.
    Has created the mess the world is in.
    Love is the answer.
    A brotherhood of man as John Lennon said, in Imagine.
    A society built on Love and caring for one another.
    Not greed and selfish ambitions.
    When the accquistion of wealth is no longer the driving force.
    But to better our selves and the rest of humanity. -Gene Roddenberry
    Then we will see a better world for our children.

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