Intellectual Laziness of Atheists

This is an opinion ok,

Atheists are intellectually lazy and seek to put finality and closure to the question of God's existence so they don't have to think about it any more.
In/out, up/down, right/left, hot/cold, tension and the release of tension, appetite and the removal of appetite, the passage of time as moments. These are all IDEAS. These ideas were conceived and executed. If you don't see the world as a construct of tremendous magnatude, you're just not looking at it.
It's right there in front of you, but you choose to ignore it. If you need more evidence to be convinced, then you will never be convinced, but I must state that because you choose to ignore and ivestigate this evidence, you are simply too lazy to ponder it.
Don't get caught up in the trap that God is all peace, love, and happiness stuff. This leads to all sorts of erroneous thinking. Take an honest look and try to see the world (reality, not man's world) as it really is, not through the haze of your preconceptions. Shut your internal dialogue up long enough to take a good look

 

I care to disagree.. I do not believe in God, because it makes no sense at all and there's no evidence (concrete evidence that it exist) the thing is we do read, and question, and the more information we find out, the more points God losses.
God is created by people not viceversa. People have a reason to create God, they need him, they need to cling to something.. because they are to coward to accept that everything is their own choice, the good things and the bad that come are nothing but consequence of their actions. People are afraid that they are alone in this world and the only ones that can do any good or bad here are none but ourselves, so they create this persona to deal with all the stuff that they are to lazy to deal with. God exist nowhere but in people's minds and of course the bible and all the religions where they have this person that its superior to you.

Just one question.. let's say God did created the world, and people.. etc.. why? he has no need for us. or are we like his toys.. his entertainment. Please care to elaborate.

 

Probably not.

 

People who believe that God doesn't exist are just morons. Plain and simple. Why not admit uncertainty? Because we know that no one is absolutely certain that God doesn't exist. No one ever will be completely certain of that. So why pretend to be?

The world we experience is only the way it is in our experience. It's the worst kind of arrogance to think that what we perceive has any bearing on what is actually real. Atheists to me, generalizing, just want to think they have the end all answer (God doesn't exist) and pretend to be that much smarter than the rest of us idiots. They're mostly just control freaks.

 

Funny, because an atheist would call a christian intellectually lazy for making god the answer to all the questions.

How were we created? God!
Why are we here? God wanted us here!
Where do we go when we die? to God! (Unless you disagree with me, then you get to rot in hell).



Pop, should I believe in blue pigs with wings just because we have never proven that they don't exist? Atheists just don't see any reason to make the god assumption. It is no more moronic than not beliving in UFO's or ghosts.

 

Some of the posts make me cringe, did I wake up in a paralell universe???

 

We should all be allowed to choose our own delusions

 

But we aren't. Sad, isn't it?

 

Well intellectual lazyness for me is creating a supreme being to be all the answers we dont have.
I rather say I dont know, than make up a illogical story just because . I think people are way to concerned with the what happens after death, how life was created... and really I can give an opinion on those things, but I never think is the ultimate answer. For me there's no God, but it could be.. it just doesnt make any sense at all to me.. its like watchin a crappy sci-fi movie.. where you just say c'mon people.. what the fuck is this? that's god to me. But God or no God.. we should accept that we are here and we gotta live our lives, not worrying what happened before, what is going to happen after... its all about the here and now.And doind good because you believe in being good.. not because you have to, not because if you dont you wont go to heaven.. its like dating someone for their money, Im with them because of what they are giving me.
Life is about what we have here, about the people around us, God doesnt play any part. everything is a consequence of our own actions.. and its ironical that the majority of the world is a believer of some God, supreme being.. but we are still surrounded by all this violence, deaths, hunger, sickness, war, destruction and all those bad things are the majority of things going on in the world. So I dont get it.

 

Contrary to your statements, some atheists would call Christians lazy because many choose to accept everything they hear without further questioning. To me, some of the Christian ideas are the craziest things I've ever heard, but nobody thinks twice about them because "that is what the bible says." And as far as our so called "preconceptions?" The only preconceptions I would potentially have is that God created everything and God is why we are here, because that is what we are taught. However, I have obviously explored what is beyond those preconceived notions and formed my own beliefs. Not that there is anything wrong with the way you feel either, but I don't necessarily think that anyone should be called lazy just because they don't believe whatever you have been taught was the "right way."
Also... in your profile, it says you're an atheist... so I guess I am a little confused about your post!:H

 

Atheists hardly have the market cornered on intellectual laziness (for example, 95%+ voted for either Bush or Kerry in the last election, though they weren't the only two folks running. I'm still trying to figure out where these two candidates differ, but I digress....).

The person who started this thread cites harmony as a reason for affirming the existence of a supreme being. This initially is a compelling reason and I've always thought it among the more convincing of Aquinas' 'Five Ways'. But there are two good reasons (and well worked out reasons, as I hope to show) for doubting that this harmony is attributable to a supreme being (nevertheless, I wish to compliment the person who started this thread for staying away from the peace and "God is love" business. That is among the least persuasive evidence for God's existence).

First, why attribute the harmony in the world to God (I'm using 'God' as an abbreviation for a general Creator or Supreme Being; I'm not thinking of any particular god)? Instead, why not attribute it to some natural process like evolution by natural selection? There seem to be better reasons to support this. For one thing, it isn't the case that all of the organisms that exist now always existed in the same form in which they exist now (if you object, you're going to have to explain why not just each piece of evidence to the contrary is dubious, but how all of the evidence TAKEN TOGETHER is dubious). Organisms that were less well-suited to their environment just didn't make it. For instance, there are very few albino alligators in Florida. It isn't as though there aren't any at all. It's just that dark greenish alligators are less vulnerable to predators, and so had more success mating (a similar thing is true for the lack of brown rabbits in arctic climates; white rabbits blend in better with the snow).

Now, one could object that God is behind all this harmony. But I would reply that that claim adds nothing to your explanation. Evolution by natural selection is rather well explained and is explicable in great detail. God is still mysterious. How did he do it? Why all the mistakes? God is a useless something-extra in terms of one's explanation. Perhaps there is a God, but He isn't doing one's explanation any favors. Again, if you wish to raise an objection to my position you're going to have to show how God is a BETTER explanation (i.e. can explain more phenomena, has more convincing evidence to support His existence) than some natural process.


Second, the world (and I can't follow the distinction between "the world as it really is" and the world as man sees it; I cannot see the world in any way other than seeing it through my eyes. The noumenal world is off-limits.) isn't so harmonious as it would appear. For example, consider some human body parts. I have all of these useless parts in my body, among them my appendix, tail bone, body hair, a back that is better suited to a creature that walks around on four legs, and my little toes. Moreover, my eyes are very badly "designed". They project images to my brain that are upside-down and have to be put right again. Further, my eyes are located in such a way that I can only see what's in front of me without having to turn my head.

I go about my Being as though God doesn't exist and my world makes sense. It is not just the case that certain individual facts about the world make sense taken individually. Rather, each fact taken together makes sense. Are there things I can't explain? Sure. But I can get a lot father with my explanations appealing to nature than I can appealing to God.

I may be mistaken in my "pragmatic atheism", but I'm not lazy in affirming it.

 

Can you figure out how far nothing is from something
What happens after something is, is a show,
see how well fitted it is, is already science

 

This topic is so bogus, I can't even believe I'm responding to this.

But, I will proceed:
Face it--- PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. PEOPLE BELIEVE IN DIFFERENT THINGS, OR DON'T BELIEVE IN CERTAIN THINGS.

BELIEFS are NOT -----*drumroll* FACTS!!!!

Why can't you holy rollers get it through your heads?

It's really nice and all; I'm sure you feel like you're doing some great deed to god, by preaching his "holy word" But the fact of the matter is, not all of us are going to fall easy to that.

It's creepy. This whole thing. This whole idea of you, with different beliefs, coming in here, trying to tell us we are WRONG, or trying to sway us to your side... it's so cult-like it gives me the fucking shivers.

I don't ever, not once, stick my nose into the Christian forum, telling you where you go wrong, and trying to get you to see MY light on things...

Instead of calling us lazy, why don't you work on your people skills...why don't you work on learning to accept that maybe just because someone feels differently than you doesn't make them lazy, or bad, or WRONG... it just makes them DIFFERENT from YOU.

I am SO fucking sick of people trying to tell everyone what to believe. Beliefs are supposed to be personal. If you want to share them, and discuss them, great, but don't expect everyone to agree, and don't shove them down people's throats.

If you want atheists to stop saying Christians, or any other religions are cult like, or brainwashed, then STOP FUCKING ACTING LIKE IT.

I hate fucking recruitments. Let me make my own damn decisions.

My opinion to the original poster: You may think I'm lazy, but I think youre a self absorbed asshole for thinking you know so much.

Thank you.

 

right on Apples! I thought this was weird.. the original poster says in his profile that he is an atheist. Any thoughts on that? Maybe he is confused...

 

lol!!! I didn't see that

*shrugs* Maybe he's playing devil's advocate [no pun intended]

 

HAHA, I know. I didn't see it either before I made my response to him. Very weird.

 

And notice how he hasn't responded to anything in this topic. Haha, trolls. What would the internet be like without em?

Oh yeah, cyber-utopia.

 

Wow! I expected my first post at Hippy Land to be about music or something other than philosophy. I think I'm going to like this cool site.

Anyone that thinks Atheists are lazy, crap, that's like saying Christians are _______ because O. J. Simpson is one (you fill in the blank as "one what?").

Read, and then listen to this if you think they'll lazy.

The Awful Facts
[Transcript of an audio recording]
*clap of thunder followed by a background of ghostly robotic music*

"Myriad moons ago, in the land of Pharaoh, there came to power a Being of wondrous propensities.
He was called Amenhotep IV. Amemhotep IV envisioned, and then implemented, a monumental and unsurpassed addition to culture. Amenhotep IV was the first to have a society introduced to the theology of a one-god religion. Yes, Amenhotep IV institutionalized monotheism, a religion of one god.

This was a true monotheism, not the polytheism that Judaism, Christianity and Islam, each usually having at least two gods ~ the one all-benevolent, the other all-evil ~ have been for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Yes, Amenhotep proclaimed the Aten, the Sun God, as the only god in all the universe; he even changed his name to reflect this new devotional imagery.

No prosaic Pharaoh was he, the works of Egyptian art were advanced to a vastly, almost impressionist, beautiful form.
Of course when a vast change comes many resist it. After all, the feebleminded peasants were content to have had their religion spoonfeed to them by, less than astute, ancestors.
The established priests didn’t want one-god concepts cutting into their lucrative, wholly unholy, business.

Nevertheless, the Pharaohs were considered gods in their own right.
Ergo, any opposition to the new religion was wee and reserved. But the only people to sincerely embrace Amenhotep’’s religion were the upperclass, very well educated members of his governmental theocratic oligarchy. This was no small number, the ancient Egyptian government was a vast institution.

Not terribly long after Amenhotep’s demise the priests and peasants of the polytheist deities were once again able to gain political power.
They began a systematic, and extremely well financed, program of wiping any trace of the reign of Amenhotep IV from the face of the Earth. His name, original as well as his new, were obliterated from temple, obelisk, monument and papyrus.

The polytheist re-writers of history were very efficient, but not 100% so. Monotheism’s followers were also persecuted.
To even utter the former Pharaoh’’s name was a crime punishable by a sound thrashing or even death!

Thus, these believes in a single god, who used to end all prayers by speaking the new name Amenhotep had chosen, reverted back to ending their supernally aimed beseeching with the words - "Freed From Doubt by Amenhotep."

But this was also seen as a blasphemous act by the ancient polytheistic spin-doctors. So, they needed to conclude their prayers, to their singular god, with another sound of solemn ratification.
And that way soon became the word - - - AMEN !
Moreover, those who descended from Amenhotep’s followers, though many changes have been made to their religion over the long years, became know as.....the Jews.

*music now becomes the gospel classic "Amen" with a satirical lyrical redo*

Amen
Hotep
Amen hotep amen
Groovin’ with his sweety
her name was Nefertiti
amen hotep amen
real style down by the Nile
a pile of pâté crocodile
amen hotep hotep

{ fin }

Mp3 of this work is at

http://www.soundlift.com/band/music.php?id=49248&song_id=83390

Go listen to this, if you're not TOO lazy.

TOR Hershman (the guy who wrote and preformed the spoken word recording) is my favorite (and that's a big group of people) Iconoclastic Icon (He just worte a song about that putting himself down - it's funny)

Still think they are lazy?

 

i love u man

and religon is designed to keep the slaves

if you question it you are trying to tempt them away if you prove a point they say stick to there faith.

so actually aetheists are doing most of the intellectual work by trying to show the religous slaves common sense.

 

Why does this apply to atheists only? Fiercely religious people spend copious amounts of time becoming learned in scripture and doctrine without a lot of outside influence, so much so that often only one idea of God, morality and existence is imprinted in their brain.

Myself and every other human being has a tendency to simplify existence for our own convenience, but if I wanted a broader minded conversation i'd talk to an athiest any day. Except those annoying ones which spend all their time trying to stamp religion off the planet. If you're one of the ones on this page don't bother arguing with me because in my experience, hard line atheists are best described as brick walls