annyone ever go to the tat site tatoodles?its a forrum.its a group of tat artists.well if ya do.dont ask anny tech ?? like ware you get your ink or what kind is the ink or whats in it.dont ask what kinda machine they use or what neddles.and other tech ??they frown on that and may ban you from the forum. when there costomers ask ?? like that they give bullshit answers like i get my ink at wallmart or somethin like that.some tattoo artists are way secritive about that. why?? are they afraid of looseing biusness or somethin..dont we as costemers deserve to know what is in our ink,or the machine that is used.after all its goin in our body.i dont buy annything if i dont know what it is,why should tattoo ink be anny diffrent. im glad my tattooest is open about it and gives honest answers to my ??,,annyone ever talk to there artist about technacal aspects of tattooing?if not,,try it once. sunshine to all frog
eh, never been to that site but now i'm gonna check it out. as for what's in the ink, most are commercially available and they all have different ingredients, most artists don't know what's in them, just the brand they prefer, cuz the companies that make the inks are pretty protective about their recipes. some artists still do make their own inks - that i can see them being secretive about. we get most of our inks from technical tattoo supply in new york, or there's a place here in daytona, american tattoo, that we like to go to just cuz of the old guy that runs the supply house - he's great. there's tons of sites that sell everything - just google it.
thanks for the reply,ya i know what eqipment and material my artist is useing as he gives me honest answers and shows me and tells me all about it. my point is that allot of other tattooests avoid technical ?? and i think we are intiteld to a honest answer as $ paying customers.especaliy when its goin in our body. if ya do go to that forum ask em what neddles they use or wat kind of ink they use.see what kind of answers you get..dont get me wrong there are some exelent artists with lots of talent on there and i respect that but i dont respect keeping technical information from costomers. peace frog
well i tried to go to that forum but couldn't find it. i was thinking about how tattooists won't give out 'technical' info as you've stated, but actually the info you are asking about is the very basics. kinda like goin to the mechanic and asking them what that black round thingy is on the corner of the car... and what do you get from a mechanic when you show your ignorance? the info you are asking about isn't secret, it's easily researched. i'm guessing the tattooists on that forum really don't want to discuss such basic info with a newbie, cuz you're not doing any learning on your own. if you show you've put forth the effort to learn enough to be able to ask some real questions, they might be more receptive. or not - cuz a lot of tattooists are kinda egotistical assholes... lol!!! my sweet hubby included
It's getting weird. My own apprenticeship was halted partway when the guy teaching me ended up getting sent to jail. Turns out around here apprenticeships now COST $10,000. In advance. In other news, Canada is teaching inmates how to tattoo each other properly.
yeah, i read about how in canada they are gonna open up tattoo shops inside the prisons, to be run by the inmates. makes a lot of sense - they are gonna do it anyways and at least this way the prisons can prevent infection/contamination. maybe we should start another thread on this topic.
hay greatfullydedicated,ask a tech ? anny tech ?,and please report back..chech out the first post called (tell no body nothin) http://www.tattoodles.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=340b997748745d61dc9bb001a0013153 frog
http://www.tattoodles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3997&sid=96bc035b4740a287db91dea5af112d73 good stuff on both pages of that post
gratefullydedicated,i dont ask ? on that forum. as i stated in my post abouve i ask my artist sometimes when hes at my house or sometimes when im in his chair getin worked on or not.he allways gives me good info.thats honest. the reason for this thread was becose awile ago i asked what kind of black ink fades the least over time ,,tribal black or ashian coligraphy ink and wat kind do they prefer.i asked on tattoodals.they all refused to answer me and said i would get banned if i ask annything more like that.thats the reason for this thead on here. i know now from my tattooest that i have colligraphy ink in my sleave and he says it fades les than tribal black..i belive him becouse the tribal black on my other tat (diffrent artist)is faded more and was done the same month. im not sayin all tattooests give bullshit answers or dont answer at all.im sayin as a consumer im glad to know what ink (hue,dilution,)i have.i have both colligraphy and tribal black.its allso nice to know that the detail work was don with a # 3 needle(incase i neede a touch up from a diffrent artist)he allso used a shadeing neddle for the shadeing. im an artist by trade (photographic,website,fine art,and comercial..when a client asks me wat kind of papper the photo is printed on i tell them,i tell them wat program im useing for there site,i tell them wat kind of airplane i use for there airial and how high i was shooting from,i tell them wat res. their photo is.why,,becouse they are thge client and give me $$$. IF SOME TATTOOESTS DONT WHANT TO BE COOL WITH THEIER COSTOMERS AND GIVE SMART ASS ANNSWERS(EVEN IF THE ?WAS OUT OF IGNORANCE)THEN THEY HAVE NO BISNESS SERVING THE PUBLIC.
ok, i checked it out and laughed - they have good points! Once the ol timer knew you paid your dues, and found out everything the hard way, they would start talking. There are no shortcuts in this bizz, if there were i would have found them. These are the people someone is going to trust to stick a needle in their body...Yikes! If an innocent client will ask me questions about my machines, or needles,or inks,I won't serve any bullshit , and even sometimes, tell him/her extra stuff . It is only when Scratchers come and ask questions for trying to "Steal" info, I will be more close. i see the asshole's point of view and i agree with them. BUT.... so many people out there are trying to cash in on the fad, it's scary. scratchers make a lot of good work for tattooist, but all in all it brings down the whole image of the trade - first off that just anybody can do it, and second, that all those crappy stab jobs are tattoos. which they definitely are not. it brings down the integrity of the art form. my hubby's had guys show up to 'borrow' a capful of ink - which he wouldn't give them of course. who in their right mind would want a tattoo from some guy that didn't even have the ink to do it, or know where to get it? i understand that maybe you in particular frog, are just looking for information and not really planning on going out and mutilating the masses. but how are these artists gonna know that? one of the sites i go to is http://tattoo.about.com/ - lots of good info on a bunch of subjects, they don't answer technical questions but it isn't just for artists, you might find a friendlier reception there.
sorry frog, i was replyin to you whilst you were replyin to me... ok, so i see your point that you share information about what you're selling to your clients - but you don't sit down with them and show them HOW to use photoshop, do ya? that's where these guys on tattoodles are coming from. it's not so much secretive, as protecting the industry from incompetant scammers, aka scratchers.
ok.ok,ok deadicated,that was my origanal ? why the smart ass answers.you stated becouse of scratchers or people startin out in the art lookin for info. so then the loss of biusness is their concern? im sayin thats insecurity in their bisness as a comercial photographer,i see people with lots of $ goin out and buyin the same pro eqipment i have.but they dont have the masters in photography like i have and cant produce the same quality of work.i tell them all the info they ask,becouse im secure in my work and am shure they wont steal my clients. some(not all)tattooests are like that. this was a fun thread sunshine to you
but you don't sit down with them and show them HOW to use photoshop, do ya? sometimes yes i do,,why,,so they know wat they are paying for and wat it takes to get it done,ive showed 2 of my clients steps in photoshop that i used for their project and after that they tiped me on top of my day rate.
why the smart ass answers? cuz there's a lot of smart asses in the industry. my hubby - and myself, apprentice smart ass, included - lol!!! ok, in your situation you kinda HAVE to be nice to the clients, even though you provide a specialized skill that can't be bought just anywhere. tattooists are usually people that don't give a shit what anybody else thinks, hence the multiple, visible tattoos, furry faces, and crazy hair that many sport. so they're a snarky bunch, cuz if they gave a shit what anybody thought in the first place they wouldn't be doing what they do or living the life they live. whole different social strata, man... don't ya wish at least ONCE in a while you could make a smart ass comment to a client? c'mon, you know you think 'em once in a while... lol!!!
yeah, i've done lots of graphic design myself, and sometimes i show clients what i'm doin just so they have a clue. but i've always had to be all nicey nice with them, even if they were makin me crazy.
oh ya oh ya,i shure do wish i could give a smart ass answer evry now and then,but i cant ill probly loose $ over it.i see your point now sister. and besides arnt we all glad that the tattooing industry is kinda wild like that,i mean libral.isnt that why people like getting tats.wild care free mohowk waring tattooed amirican artists.its verry hippy when ya think about it, dedicated,thanks for helping me understand this topic,you rule and this has ben fun. sunshine to you a verry tattood woodenfrog
thanks, man - it was fun and yeah, tattooing's a very free lifestyle - i can't wait till i learn enough to do it full time. as for bein hippy, most of my hubby's tattoo's are grateful dead stuff - go figure!
greatfull dead stuff cool..ya my sleve is pretty hippy,and my other sleve is goin to be a floral sleave..oh ya gotta love the hippys..sorry for dragin the thread on.your cool to talk to
