Infallible proof of god

Exactly. I always questioned why would christians insists on their dogmas.

Since everything is based on blind faith alone, therefore, christian belief and dogma is no more different than a belief in santa claus and fairy tales.

 

Because it's true?

 

Yeah! Why does everyone keep picking on Santa in these threads? I mean really, what has Santa ever done to anyone?

 

But everything isn't based on blind faith alone. People are acting as if science is based on nothing more than a few assumptions, as if those assumptions haven't been evidenced over and over again to be reasoned and sane, rather than just guesses.

 

It may be true. It has, however, remained unproven and unevidenced, so while you can believe what you want, you can't really criticise anyone else for having an equally unproven and unevidenced theory.

 

I wasn't criticizing any one. He asked the question; “Why should I believe it?” and I was just giving him a possible answer.

 

Well that's good then because it wouldn't make sense if you did.

 

Of course, christianity is based on blind faith.

 

It's true that the world was created in 6 days?

Can you reproduce that feat for us, please?

I offer a challenge to you, to reproduce that feat in 6 days.

If you can, I will not post in this forum again.
If you cannot, you do the same.
Do you accept?

 

No need to get bunchy!

As I mentioned to SelfControl; you asked the question: “Why should I believe it?” and I was just giving you a possible answer.

As for the rest of your questions:
It's true that the world was created in 6 days?
Why is that so difficult for you to believe?

Can you reproduce that feat for us, please?
Don't remember saying to you I was God, maybe you have mistaken me for someone else.

 

I will believe you when you reproduce that feat for me.

Since you have no proof and neither can you reproduce your claims, then your belief is based on blind faith alone.

 

Im not sure I understand your point. He has faith in that God created the world. He is not God. Why would he be able to re-create the world?

 

It wasn't a very good answer though, was it? I mean, if you really think about it.

 

First, that feat as you call it is attributed to God not me so it is not in my power to reproduce it. That seems simple enough to understand so why do you keep bringing it up?

Second, you can believe anything you want any time you want but you are the one that asked the question I just gave you a possible answer, which you can believe or not as you choose.

Next, you assume I have no proof; perhaps I do have proof and prefer to leave you in ignorance.

Last, you assume that I believe anything; maybe I'm just philosophizing with you and want to see if you have anything of interest to say on the subject at hand.


PS The Bible defines Faith as the assured expectation of things hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not yet beheld. So the Bible neither supports nor condones what is generally called Blind Faith!

 

Actually if it is the truth, it's a prefectly good answer. And yes I have really thought about it.

 

Just because I think it is amusing...I should point out that when/if God did create the world, he would have created plants on the third day and the sun on the fourth day.

Without the sun, how would plants have survived?
Without the sun, how would you KNOW how long a day was?

 

Yeah, but it doesn't prove anything. I can say that I crap ice-cream, and if it is the truth, it's a perfectly sensible statement to make. But at some point, someone might want me to demonstrate it, and if I was unable to do so, and couldn't explain how it could happen, I couldn't really expect anyone to believe me on that basis.

See my point?

 

I don't know that many plants die if they're deprived of sunlight for a day.

 

Yes, I see your point.

But once again I wasn't trying to prove anything; he asked a question, I gave him a possible answer. He didn't ask for proof and I didn't give him any.

I didn't really didn't expect him to believe it.

I made my comment with the hopes of sparking more discussion which it did. So the comment I made accomplished it’s purpose. What more could I ask?

 

Much as it pains me, I'm going to have to go with wbld on this one. I don't believe the earth was created in six days--even allowing for the fact that God's "days" may be much longer than ours. As early as the first few centuries after Christ, some of the great Christian theologians of the day, Justin Martyr, Origen and St. Augustine, provided cogent arguments that the creation stories of Genesis aren't to be taken literally. They're metaphors and allegories.


The six day creation emphasizes the rationale for the Sabbath at a time when the Jews were experiencing or had recently experienced their Babylonian captivity and it was vital to keep their distinguishing traditions like the Sabbath alive. The Creation story also emphasizes that Yaweh is the creator of the whole world, and thus is the superior of any Babylonian or Caananite god. The careful reader may notice that there are two creation stories in Genesis--1 & 2, with different sequences of creation. Genesis 2 (actually written before 1) has animals and vegetation being created after humans, unlike Genesis 1.

Genesis 1 has creation in the order: plants; sea creatures and birds; land animals; man and woman (together); in Genesis 2 the sequence is: man; plants; land animals and birds; woman. Fundamentalists have ways of handling this, I'm sure, but Occam's razor persuades me that the simplest explanation is they're two different stories with two different points.