I'm no longer an Existentialist

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Because it shows that we decide our purpose. We are resposible for our reality. We must take resosiblity for our actions! Why would that be a waste of time? It shows to stop looking for a external meaning of life and start making an internal one.

 

existentialism is the base assumption on life... disregarding human myths, traditions and other corruptible bullshit.

 

To give up responsibility for one's actions not only makes you a self-deceiver, but leaves you no room to gripe about anything.
If it seems reasonable for you to give up reality, I would like to see your logic.
"Philosophy is a luxury, and existentialism is enjoyable and desirable, but existentialism still seems like a waste of time."
It IS a waste, if all one is doing is contemplating it and not putting it into practice.

 

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Have you read Heidegger's works? you might find it more optimistic than Sartre's vision.

 

Sartre was a Marxist wasn't he

 

yeah, I think he was, and so was his partner Simone De Beauvoir

 

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We do create our own reality. Yes, our senses have a big infulence but we interprit them. Also the outer world cannot be reached without the inner world. Now..Why do you say that these belifs are anti-humanitarian, i mean an Existentalist feels compassion just like the rest of us. Begin an indiviual does not mean you have to be a selfish asshole. All it means is that you realize that your internal world is an illusion and you control that illusion. Also how you veiw your internal world will detertmain how you act in your outer world. For exampple if you see life as one big party, you will act like its one big party.

Once again, just because you are an indivual dosent mean you have to be an asshole. Any way, your inner world dosent infulece the outer wrold right. But all we have is the inner world. Distortions of the outer world. Each of us likes differnt food, each of us sees differnt colors more easily. If I take off my glassess, the world becomes fuzzy, so is the actual worl dfuzzy, or are my senses just telling me that it is fuzzy?

So what your saying here is, only Buddhas can help people? Yes seeing the objective world mkaes us less selfish(If fact you have no self at all), but that dosent mean we cant be unselfish living in our inturnal world. It is harder but can be done, if you see the vaule and the suffering of others.

Yeah, I think humans have a nature to. I think we are all naturaly selfish. Yes we do have an individual experence. We do not think and feel the exact same things. For example I don't think the same thing about Existentalism. We do not got hroguh the same things, some of us are poor, other rich, others middle.

Well its not a religon. You don't have to agree with everything. And rememebr its about choice.

 

We can experience life as if we were watching a movie - as passive entertainment. But sooner or later the "movie" will be over and the reality of our existence will assail our senses like the stench of the horse-shit in the alley as we exit the theater. It is there that we learn the meaning of "exit-stench-ialism"

And to claim that the intellectual constructions of any philosophy have a higher or truer reality than horses and their defecation would clearly be "putting Descartes before the horse."

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Green said

Ah that will explain mathematics then? I see mathematics in the external world and apply it to my way of life ?-
Have you seen the number 1 anywhere, or the number 276996, that did not come from a human hand or a human invention?
I am asking how you explain mathematics away using the above sentence?
Infact you seem to be saying that there are no deductive reasoning powers within us. Whereas I would say that our powers to reason out such things as mathematics has changed our world far more than our external world changed us
we are all still apes in spite of our religion and politics and computers etc etc
Existentialism is not an idealist philosophy it is an attempt at a description
It describes life rather than prescribes a way of life

 

Existential Philosophy is a waste of time, as is all Philosophy. Philosophy, when it is enpowered by politics, becomes an Ideology. If that Ideology is not destructive to Society it becomes a Religion.

Existential Philosophy is like your imaginning what it would be to yield the power of your country's ruler; it is just delusion and desire, powerless to affect change. That Existentialism exists only in your mind.

 

So where did your computer come from since the scientists and mathematicians it took to design that thing would know well the works of major philosophers such as the logical positivists and analytic philosophers whos works contributed to scientific methodology

 

You can't argue with someone who stills views the world by how it applies to the HD.

To me, existentialism is naked.

Its bullshitless.

It without ethnocentricity of any sort.

It seems silly to reject open exploration of everything because the process of looking at reality as it is doesn't fit into a political/economic viewpoint...

 

Exactly.

Don't you get it.

Philosophy in general and existentialism if particular are the most human of all.

Without the awareness of self and the search for truth we are not human.

 

Green, you seem to think that existentialism is supposed to be an answer, like christianity or communism.

It's not, it's questioning.

You say you want to help people, why?

"Because helping people is good"

Why, because it feels, good?

Why does it feel good, why does something that makes me feel good not make you feel good, and if the feeling and experience is different how do you know what good is?

When you stop assuming that the meanings and answers that you have learned throughout your life are truthful you open you mind to a greater truth.

That there is no truth.
There is no objective good and evil or right and wrong.

They are real, but they don't have any objective meaning outside of the meaning that you place on them.

think about it this way:

Lets say you have a favorite t-shirt.
Because of the design or rarity or some other value that you place on this tshirt, it is improtant to you above all of your other shirts.

But you placing importance on that tshirt doesnt mean that in reality it is an important thing.

It is only important (to you), because of the value that you've placed on it.

Now apply that same logic to gold, money, land, weather, terrain, stars, words, actions, and finally morality.

How can you honestly prove that something has value outside of the value that you or a likeminded group place on that something?

Or maybe that's just me being a nihilist...

 

How can that be true?

do you really believe that? have you ever thought about where this ultimately leads to?

 

Good question...

Should I be fearful of my thoughts?
And what if it is the only truth, should i let my fear keep me from accepting it?

 

well, what i'm saying is that beliefs have consequences. some beliefs are of little importance and consequence to us, some are a lot more important.

There is no objective good and evil or right and wrong...

Do you think that it is alright to torture babies for fun?