Illegal immigrants

Discussion in 'Politics' started by cutelildeadbear, Aug 31, 2004.

  1. Bacchus

    Bacchus Member

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    I understand your point, but what do you want to do about it?

    You moving back to Europe or wherever your ancestors are from?
     
  2. jesuswasamonkey

    jesuswasamonkey Slightly Tipsy

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    Here are some benefits of legalising immigration:

    1: Legal immigrants pay taxes, therefore they are not a drain on our national coffers like illegals sometimes are.

    2: Legal immigrants participate fully in the economy, they may need jobs, but they create those jobs by buying stuff.

    3: Legal immigrants would be paid the same wages as born americans, therefore they would only take your job if they can do it better than you, and if they can do it better than you they deserve it anyways.

    4: Legal immigrants are more likely to bring their families here rather than sending money home, therefore they keep more money in our economy than illegals.

    5: Legal immigrants bring their culture and knowledge with them, enriching American society in the process. Can you say Telemundo?

    6: Legal immigrants have voting rights and are not going to vote for policies and politicians that would harm their country of origin, thus helping to curb american aggression.

    7: Legalised immigration would increase our standing and respect in the world and once again America would be thought of as a beacon of hope for a chance at a better life.

    8: If we don't legalise immigration they will still come here, and they will be a drain on our economy, our tax-dollars, and our job pool.

    I vote for legalising immigration.
     
  3. seamonster66

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    I'm with you Jesus, the amount of legal immigrants we let in is quite small.
     
  4. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    It is already possible to immigrate legally to the US. Should we drop all the legal requirements and just open the floodgates? A massive influx of unskilled and desperate laborers would quickly turn the US into another Mexico, when Mexicans should instead be solving their own country's problems. The entire Mexican government and civil service operates on graft and nepotism, the nation's wealth is squandered by corrupt politicians, and the people do nothing to change this ruinous system. Kidnappings in Mexico City have also skyrockted recently. Unchecked immigration would more likely import this disastrous situation here than improve it there:

    http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
     
  5. seamonster66

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    I don't think it should be completely unchecked, just an increase in the numbers.
     
  6. cutelildeadbear

    cutelildeadbear Hip Forums Gym Rat

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    Ok Huck, you have made some sense here, perhaps if they raised the pay for those jobs then more Americans would want to do them. I don't blame that on the illegal immigrants though, actually I think this makes them pretty damn smart to come here every day and work, not pay taxes then go home. Perhaps the answer is to fine, harshly, the companies that take advantage of those seeking out these jobs.

    But I disagree that it is Mexico's job to fix itself. America claims to run around helping others so damn much that we are in debt, but Mexico is right there, and we can't be bothered to help. I don't get it. It couldn't possibly be because we have nothing to gain by helping them could it? And don't get me wrong, by helping them, I do not mean opening up the borders.


    But like Seamonster said, they don't have to be unchecked immigrations, just because they are more open. I agree with what Jesusmonkey posted there, but at the same time I can see how it could cause problems like Rat and Huck describe with opening the flood gates and eventually making a huge Americas. Then again what would be so bad about that. Boy, I'm still quite unsure here.
     
  7. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

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    Mexico's main problems are systemic and cultural; no one but the Mexican people can fix them.

    Here's an example. My (Mexican) wife works for a biotech company that's been trying to get approval for a blood screening technology in Mexico. They set up a lab down there to run some evaluations and soon discovered that technicians from the Mexican equiavalent of the FDA had been forging the results. This is the agency that's supposed to be responsible for protecting Mexican public health!
     
  8. cutelildeadbear

    cutelildeadbear Hip Forums Gym Rat

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    LOL really, sounds like America to me. Maybe they are stealing our ideas as well as our jobs.
     
  9. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Really? Got any documentation?
     
  10. dhs

    dhs Senior Member

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    I think the boarders should be more secure, but I do feel that immigrants should be treated humanely. It is an economic burden, yet its one to be expected with some of the loosest boarders as well as airport customs in the western world.


    Currently, I am trying my damndest to get a work Visa to move over to New Zealand for a while and its not an easy process. I'm an educated man with many assets to offer a business over there, but there's still a lot of red tape. They place a high value on age over there as well as in Australia. You're ability to move there significantly dimishes once you turn 30.


    At the end of the day, I'm not against people moving to our nation, but it shouldn't be easy, it should be strictly controlled.
     

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