Illegal immigrants

I have a question. Is there anyone here who believes that illegal immigrants should be in this country, allowed to stay, then given free healthcare when they have an emergency?

I honestly haven't got a real opinion on this one way or another because I haven't done enough research on it, but on the surface I really don't see what the big deal is. I just thought of it as I overheard someone bitching on the phone here at work to a friend. Apparently she had taken her daughter to the hospital for a fractured arm because the kid was jumping on the bed, but she couldn't be seen right away because someone had come in with a gunshot wound. The one with the gunshot wound happened to be an illegal alien and had no insurance, but the doctors took care of him anyway, and as far as I understand it (as much as the other person explained it) they don't have to pay a bill at all.

While this doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever, I also don't believe in letting people die in the street. Whether or not someone "belongs" here or not, or if they were born here or not, all people are people. I couldn't let this person just die, nor do I find anything wrong with the doctor treating him first as his injury was more serious. Granted, there is something wrong with our healthcare system if some people get free healthcare, while the rest of us are paying out the ass for it. I don't know what else I feel about illegal immigrants, because in essence they shouldn't be able to come into our country, but if they are here why treat them badly?

Maybe someone has more light to shed on this for me as I am fairly confused as to why everyone hates everyone else so much that they would rather see them die than help them.

 

Check out http://www.oregonir.org/undermining_american_workers.htm.

 

People die, every day.

 

we should shoot illegal immigrants. Especially those damn Mexi cans.

 

America is a country founded by immigrants, built by immigrants, populated by immigrants and a great symbol to the world of a chance for a better life.

I think America should allow immigrants to become citizens. It's what this country is all about.

As for the "They'll steal our jobs!" argument, Maddox put it best:

 

Huck, I don't think that they are stealing jobs from anyone, and I agree with what Jesus pointed out there. A lot of the people I work with would agree with the link that you posted, and my dad as well.

Bacchus, I do understand people die every day, but that isn't exactly what I was getting at. I was wondering if there are people who actually believe (like this woman at work) that her life is more valuable than that of an illegal immigrant, simply because she was born here.
I don't know because I've never been in this situation, but I doubt I would make as much of a big deal out of it that she has. Her kid didn't die, and so what she has to pay the hospital bill, that still hasn't anything to do with an immigrant being there and needing treatment. The only thing I could say to her is that there are tons of people out there who are Americans and don't have insurance who get very similar treatment. I personally know 3 people who don't pay their hospital or doctors bills because they don't feel like they should have to, and supposedly it can't be held against you (ie on your credit report, etc).

Otter, you are just silly. There are Mexicans where we live, they are very nice people. I suspect that many of them are not legal, because the women never come out of the house, but the men are always out back hanging out with my boyfriend, he is trying to teach them how to fix their old cars that don't run.

I don't know, I just don't find immigrants to be that much of a threat to my happiness. So I have to pay a doctor bill. I would have to pay it anyway, if they were there or not.

 

My hubby is Mexican. I actually got that quote from him.lol.

 

I believe they should be allowed in, as I generally like them better than the actual Americans, plus they work much harder and add color to our bland urban sprawl.


no one should ever be denied health care if they need it, except bacchus

 

LOL i never knew that Otter. Do you leave your house? just teasin'

 

Hello? If Monkey's cartoon wish were reality and they were paid the same as legal workers, then things would be very different. Wishing doesn't make it so. It is indisputable that allowing large numbers of employers to exploit illegal immigrants hurts honest businesses and workers that comply with labor standards. Companies that follow the rules have a huge competitive disadvantage. The article I cited explains this in some detail, and it doesn't seem to me that anyone here has seriously addressed the issues it raises.

 

But legislation and prosecution would.

 

That's precisely the point of the article. Unscrupulous employers are the main culprits in fueling illegal immigration.

 

Unscrupulous corporations are the main culprits in just about every injustice in the country.

 

I DON'T think illegal immigrants should be allowed into the country and here is why:

Depending on your willingness to believe, there is an agenda that is going on which is intended to slowly but eventually eliminate the working-class from America, making for a more divided country (which is their intention). As you can see, jobs are being outsourced left and right to Mexico, India, and the Asian countries, which is only part of it.

There are many who believe that there is a plan to eventually merge the US with Canada and Mexico, creating a United Americas of sorts, as it would be called. While it would be a great disadvantage to average Americans, those in power would benefit greatly as it would open up a much bigger market in terms of trade.

I think it's BLASPHEMOUS that George W. Bush tries to instill all this fear into us while clamping down on our rights with the Patriot Act, meanwhile he is leaving the borders open for almost anyone to enter the country who wants to.

There is more than meets the eye.

 

Bingo! You said it perfectly Rat.

 

Ok Rat, I see what you are saying, I actually thought along these lines before this woman flipped out at work, screaming and yelling. I'm not sure I understand what you mean though when you say the "agenda is ... eliminate the working class". Who is? See I don't believe that it is the immigrants who are doing this, I do however fully believe our own government is. I just wanted to make sure I understand you correctly. But as others have pointed out this country was founded on immigrants, I know my grandparents came here. Of course they did it legally, so I suppose that nips that arguement in the bud. Another arguement that I hear often, and I'm still on the fence about is that Americans don't want to do the jobs that the illegal immigrants end up doing, ie, cleaning houses/toilets, working at McDonalds, digging ditches, but these people are grateful for jobs like this. Will Americans settle for this type of work? I have heard here too many times when people say they can't get jobs that they are too good to work these types of jobs. Like I said I don't really have an opinion either way because I don't feel I know enough yet to form one, that is why I'm picking everyone's brain here. This woman at my work, just made me wonder about things like this is all. I mean like I said, it doesn't seem to be affecting me, but maybe it is and I just don't know it.

 

Wasn't this Indian land?Or was it Mexico?

 

Yes, it does.

If these jobs paid better, I'm sure more Americans would do them. However, they'll never pay better as long as employers can exploit illegal immigrants without fear of legal reprisal.

 

If you wonder where the good jobs are, or where they went, you should look at outsourcing rather than illegal immigration.

 

Illegal immigration gives dodgy employers the best of both worlds. They can skirt US labor laws without even having to relocate their facilities.