If humans Evolved from Monkeys

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  1. ~MorningManiacMusic~

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    Why isn't it still happening?
     
  2. bamboo

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    could be happening right now. evolution is so slow we wouldn't notice unless there was a species similiar to us but from a different "tree" so to speak, that was really close to where we are now. We don't know which Howler Monkey or Baboon is gearing up to take our place in...say, two million years or so.
     
  3. MeAgain

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but humans have not evolved from monkeys.

    Both humans and monkeys belong to the hominoidea family. The hominoidea devides into the hylobatidae, or gibbons, and the hominidae.
    The hominidae contains four groups, the orangutans, gorillas, humans, and chimpanzees.
    So while they have a comman origin they are divergent species.
     
  4. madlizard

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    There is much proof that we are still evolving.

    It happens over a matter of hundreds, even thousands of years before we'll see an extreme difference.

    But, now, just look at wisdom teeth for example. There are people with a full set and even people who grow none. It's amazing that we're evolving right before our very eyes. Just google it, you'll learn something new. They're doing studies on it right now.

    Some scientists say that we might lose our pinky finger in years of evolving since we don't use them often..

    I am intrigued by science and Darwin's theories.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Darwin's theory of evolution is just about wrong in every way.
     
  6. madlizard

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    How do you figure?
     
  7. bamboo

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    cool!!! and there are a couple of subspecies of chimpanzees and subspecies of gorilla
     
  8. fat_tony

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    Well its questionable whether evolution is still happening. It may still be happening of course our technological development has appeared in the past few thousand years, particularly the last 300, happening far faster than any physical evolutionary effects would.

    Back to my first sentence, firstly sociological arguments, its debateable whether or not natural selection is still occuring with humans, trying not to sound heartless but in a modern society people who would not survive are now looked after by social states to varying degrees. Im guessing that heredatory conditions are now being passed down through generations as people are living with conditions that in the past would not have been survivable or would have been such a handicap they would have fallen by the wayside. Even in the 'healthy' part of the population the criteria are changing so natural selection still occurs in some ways but I doubt women look for 'mates' now using the same criteria they did thousands of years ago. Well that sounded callous, but then nature is a fairly rough place, where survival of the fittest means just that. I guess the other way of looking at it is that we've transcended natural selection.

    Now the biological argument. Another part of evolution is mutation, for something like a virus this is a rapid process, there are no cells, the virus has no 'copy protection' in its genome, it rattles through possible combinations very quickly. Scale that up to the level of a human and things become more complicated. Assume for now that a random mutation occurs in one cell that could give the organism an advantage if all necessary cells had that mutation. When one cell does something different to the others, this is rarely a good thing indeed copy protection in the nucleus of the cell should prevent that cell from dividing. If it doesnt then you have an increasingly large blob of cells that arent playing ball with the rest of the body, a tumor. So in a human a mutation is far less likely to remain due to copy protection and is far less likely to be a good thing if it does survive as it may not be able to 'communicate' properly with the rest of the body.
     
  9. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Humans are evolving, give it a few million more years we might have 360 degree vision. Well, maybe not that, but we have been getting taller over time, there's a plus.
     
  10. Jim Colyer

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    Saying that humans evolved from monkeys is an oversimplification.


    Natural processes tend to run their courses and then give way to other natural processes.

    It is like saying...well, if you were once a baby, why are you not still a baby?
     
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    I've heard arguments that, based on comparison of DNA, humans developed the ability to digest milk rather recently (10,000 years?). The resistance to malaria that is called sickle cell anemia is another recent evolutionary change.

    Interesting story. Body lice die if the temprature changes very much at all. Head lice are more tolerant of temprature changes. DNA analasis has cocluded that body lice and head lice were one species up until 70,000 years ago. Therefore, humans started wearing clothing 70,000 years ago.
     
  12. bamboo

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    sure natural selection is playing apart in modern humans. Every generation we send or best, brightest and most physically fit young men of to die for some vain-glorious bullshit and leave all the rest of the spunk-monkeys at home to procreate. why do you think we DECENDED from the apes and not ASCENDED :)
     
  13. spooner

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    this has everything to do diet and nutrition rather than evolution.

    and of course we are still evolving. it just doesn't happen that fast.
     
  14. Green

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    We evolved from homo erectus in Africa.
     
  15. AfricaUnite

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    WORD!
     
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    There are some eskimos that evolved the ability to prodocue thier own ascorbic acid (vitamin C) in thier body.
     
  17. ~MorningManiacMusic~

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    I use my pinky finger everyday when i'm shredding on my bass!:p How would humans get a good grip on things without all five fingers?
     
  18. bamboo

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    actually grip is concentrated in the thumb and first two fingers of the hand. The ring finger and small finger add to the force but in the main it is the three mentioned above. If you want to compare the strenth of the fingers then try doing fingertip pushups...then one at a time remove individual fingers to see which contribute what to the overall strength.
     
  19. MeAgain

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    The faces, jaws, and teeth of the early farmers of Jericho were slightly larger than the modern inhabitants of the same area. Likewise for the first English farmers as compared to the average 17th century Londoner.

    This trend can be seen through skeletal anaysis dateing back 100,000 years. It accelerated about 5,000 years ago with the early agriculture of the Neolithic age and is accredited to the development of plants and the grinding of meal, etc.

    In aboriginal Australia Middle Pleistocene levels of tooth size still are evident today.

    The hemoglobin needed to fight a particular type of malaria resulted from chages in the environment brought on by farming in the sub-Sahara. this is the hemolobin that leads to sickle-cell anemia.

    There are other changes in popluations that inhabit the same area for long periods of time that occur below the specis level. With continued isolation these changes will eventually occur at the species level.
     
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    I am not sure if this is important but human encephilation (the capacity of the skull in cc) peaked about 20,000 years ago and has been slowly decreasing since. Read that on sci-tech daily some time back and has puzzled me since
     

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