If bible is true-god is racist

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by astralgoldfish, Jan 19, 2005.

  1. I can't accept that a small child in India, a buddhist for example, who has never done anything other than what they think is right. A child who has never been mallicious in any way, would be condemned to eternal torture if they die without believing in Jesus.
    Somewhere I'm sure the bible says Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation. That means millions upon millions of innocent people in countries that are majoritively non-christian are burnt by a god who apparently loves everyone equally.

    I live in a country where jesus is at school, in the street, in the festival days. Haven't I been given more chance than people who live in Muslim countries?
    Why has god chosen to save the west more? If the bible is true heaven must be very white-dominated. Can anyone name a predominately white country with a mainly non-christian religion? I don't know any BUT COULD BE WRONG!!!!!

    If god is all knowing, it's unreasonable to expect people who see christianity as a crazy minority religion, against overwhelming belief among their own freinds, family, and country in Buddha(or whatever) to be converted by whatever contact they have with evangelicals. It's not right to blame them for not commiting their whole life to something that can't be proven, and most people there disagree with? Look at it from their point of view.

    Does god burn all innocent, sinless buddists forever?
    If yes- I hate the god you believe in, any god that would do that has no morals, when I die, if I find out that's what happens I'm gonna kick god in the balls.

    If no-the bible says you gotta have jesus. I'm all in favour of non-literal christianity, and know several people who use their faith to genuinely better their lives, but if you REALLY believe it's god's words you gotta take each line seriously right? If you believe maybe some has been altered or misinterpreted down the line, how can you have strong faith in any of it?

    I can't take the bible too seriously. It's too exclusive. Whatever god there is obviously wouldn't want to burn that many innocent people.
  2. juggla

    juggla Member

    well i dont believe in god but... i use to be a catholic and the catholic church has a sort of loop-hole, its if your a non-christian and you were never taught about christianity and provided you lived a moral life you can get into heaven.
  3. Burbot

    Burbot Dig my burdei

    all im gonna say, before this gets out of hand [caus eit probobly will] is that it depends on who you ask...
  4. If the bible lets people off who didn't know about jesus, can someone tell me the quote. So I tell it to people who tell me "Jesus is the only way" or whatever.
    I'd like to add that I never meant to offend anyone, it's just an inconsistancy between loving everyone and burning innocent non-beleivers.
  5. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

  6. juggla

    juggla Member

    i doubt theres basis for it in the bible, but its part of catholic doctrine
  7. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

    i've read it in the bible myself.you'll be held responsible only for what you know.
  8. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

  9. thumontico

    thumontico Member

    There is an inconsistency in loving everyone and allowing/causing 'evil' people to suffer the torrible torment of hell, no?

    See St. Augustine quote below
  10. arlia

    arlia Members

    thats not racism,god does not condemn anybody,they chose the path they walk.
    they do not go to hell because of their culture,but because they didnt know jesus.same goes for white black oriental races,all the races of the world.
  11. goldmund

    goldmund Member

    Here is a funny take on the topic:

    Thank God some students seem to have a sense of humour.

    The following is an actual question given on the University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet.

    Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

    Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
    One student, however, wrote the following:

    First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

    As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different Religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can therefore project that all souls will go to Hell.

    With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

    This gives two possibilities:
    1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until "all Hell breaks loose".

    2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until "Hell freezes over".

    So which is it?
    If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.

    The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct...leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh my God."


    Found this at: http://www.abc.net.au/brisbane/stories/s1257375.htm
  12. arlia I am sorry but I often find your arguments badly thought out. People raised outside a christian society, by a non-christian family, who might only ever hear the name Jesus from evangelicals in the streets of their cities, who would sound so unbeleivable in that situation, don't have the same choice that we do. Everyone in Portsmouth at least knows who Jesus is.

    People in non-christian countries would have to go out and actively seek Jesus, thereby rejecting the faith of their family and culture, which they may not find fault with. Following Jesus is greatly biased in western-countries favour, why is god prejudiced against the east.

    So what if you had heard of Jesus once, or even a few times, from an overzealous street preacher, whose fiery rendition of the scary "fire and brimstone" parts of the bible sounded crazy. To an unfamiliar person, this sounds not much more rational than the homeless people who warn you of the apocalipse in loud screaming voices in big cities. God can't expect them to renounce their culture's faith in favour of this evidence, it's not fair! God should be fair, right?
  13. I loved your story though Goldmund that is excellent and I have saved it for later use. Thankyou
  14. mynameiskc

    mynameiskc way to go noogs!

    nope, it's not fair. it's why we have a judgement instead of a checklist. god is fair. if your only experience with christianity is some asshole beating you with a bible while quoting brimstone scripture, then naturally you're not gonna be all that wont to believe it, are you? in such a case, that abuser of yours will be judged negatively for turning someone completely against the christian faith. it's in scripture. we're supposed to be like christ, not like the pharisees. idunno, seems kinda clear and fair to me.
  15. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

    Could you please provide a reference for this quote? I'm not aware that Augustine denied either God's goodness or his omnipotence.
  16. fulmah

    fulmah Chaser of Muses

  17. HuckFinn

    HuckFinn Senior Member

    It sounds to me like the Augustine quote is really just a question that he posed, which he then proceeded to answer. It doesn't actually reflect his beliefs.
  18. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

    In Dante's 'Inferno' he places even the 'good' pagans in hell simply because they weren't baptized. Although they don't suffer too much because they're in a part of hell Dante calls 'limbo', where its neither very bad nor very good, just very bland - but none of them, Plato, Aristotle, even Dante's own guide through the circles of hell, Virgil, has any hope of ever getting out.

    This reflects accurately the beliefs of the medieval church on this. Perhaps today things have changed, and some Christians believe followers of other religions might not be doomed to eternal damnation. But some, I fear, probably still think much like medievals.
  19. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

    Welcome To Hell

    One day a guy dies and finds himself in hell. As he is wallowing in his sel- pity, In deep despair, trying to fathom an eternity of extreme torture, he has his first meeting with the devil.

    Devil: You’re new! Feel at home, I like all the new residents to be settled. Hmmm, Why so glum, chum?

    Guy: What do you think? I screwed up, I was bad even though I knew better, so now... I'm in hell.

    Devil: Hey, Hell's not so bad. We actually have a lot of fun down here. Are you a drinkin' man?

    Guy: Sure, I drink quite a bit, with the guys after work, nights out, watching football games, anytime.

    Devil: Well you’ll love Mondays. On Mondays all we do is drink. Rum, Whiskey, Vodka, Tequila, Gin, wine, beer, highballs, you name it. We drink till we puke, then we drink some more.

    Guy: Gee, that sounds great. Let’s see, that’s only four days away. I can’t wait.

    Devil: You a smoker? If you are...have I got a treat for you.

    Guy: You better believe it. All my life, two packs a day, no filters, and cigars, too.

    Devil: Alright! You'll love Tuesdays. We get the best cigars from around the world, even Cubans, and smoke our lungs out. If you get cancer, no biggie - you're already dead, remember?

    Guy: Wow. That's awesome. I love those Cuban cigars, kinda hard to get back home.

    Devil: You look like a man who likes to gamble. And not too bad at it either, am I right?

    G uy: Why yes, as a matter of fact I do, and well, some say I play a mean blackjjack game.

    Devil: Well... Wednesday you can bet all you want. Craps, Blackjack, Roulette, Poker, Slots, whatever. And then, if you go bankrupt, well, you're dead anyhow. It’s the biggest casino on the other side.

    Devil: And, hey, we can speak freely here, honestly, are you into any drugs?

    Guy: Are you kidding? I love all the drugs. You don't mean....

    Devil: Yep! Thursday's drug day. Help yourself to a great big bowl of crack or smack. Smoke a doobie the size of a submarine. You can do all the drugs you want and if ya overdose - that's alright - you're dead, who cares? O.D.!!

    Guy: Yowza!! I never realized Hell was such a swingin' place.

    Devil: You gay?

    Guy: No....

    Devil: Ooooh (grimaces), You're gonna hate Fridays . . .

  20. know1nozme

    know1nozme High Plains Drifter

    This looks like a great loophole! So if we stamp out all preaching of Christianity and destoy all the Bibles so that no child born henceforth can ever learn about Christianity, then every child who lives a moral life gets to go to heaven... Sounds like a great plan, eh?

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