I want to protest public schools

Stupid public schools that take racist teachers and make more kids more racist, I want people to ban those Schools

 

Yes, that's a very smart decision.

Prevent poor kids from getting an education in public schools and let only rich kids get into private schools and get an education.

Smart move, I'll be at your protest dipstick.

 

wow, what a loving, peaceful reply, tm!

I completely understand what you mean, jedi. Those protesting probably not the answer to the problem, and banning them isn't either.
There are so many problems with public schools, though private school aren;t always any better. I'd say one good answer would be to boicot! Don't send your children to school, educate them yourself, and educate others about teaching their children at home, and the problems of schools. Maybe you could try to change the particular problems that you have with schools. Though I have to admit that you don't have a good chance there, people are racist, and if they are teaching children they ARE going to pass that along, even when trying not to. If you want children to have your morals you'll have to teach them yourself, and I think there is little we can do about anyone else kids.

 

Or you could move to Iowa.

 

am I going to look stupid if I ask "what's in Iowa?"

 

The best (or one of the best) public school systems in the U.S. Ironically it's also one of the whitest and most suburban. I guess the kids have nothing to do but study, life must be tough when there's only 50 people living within a 100 mile radius.

 

Uh, he said nothing about poor people. Can you read?

 

Aww, Maverick. Pot shots are the sign of a person who can't debate to save their life. You should learn that. Don't they teach you that in your church when you're praising Bush?

 

I agree and disagree.

I agree teaching your own kids is a good way to keep them from being processed into mindless drones that worship the flag like Maverick. You don't have to worry about clothes, and getting sick, and assemblies, and picking them up.

But then putting your kids in school teaches them good social and coping skills.

 

Plus, lunar...what if you're like me and you're a horrible teacher? I couldn't teach anyone to save my life, and I'd want to ensure my kids are well rounded and well-socialized.

 

Okay, I did not say anything about the poor but you are right , this will affect the poor.

Kids have to go to school, but you have to try to give kids an environment where they are free to learn and are happy with it. Some public schools are not doing this- in my opinion so we have to make them do it, but how? - one good way is to protest against schools that are not fulfilling the needs of their children.

Also, I don't know if you are so mad at me and mad at maverick for pointing out the essence and that is- try to fix things in public schools. I think you are logical and very intelligent, so I don't think you are mad at us for saying "we need fixing in public schools" .

You probably got the wrong idea that we were saying "no schools yay", I just want to point out that thats not what I was trying to say and if I gave that impression then I am sorry.

-Poor guy who attended a public school.

 

Nice Idea, but I don't think it will work. If there is something that needs fixin , it is better to fix it than throw it away all together...

The same thing here, something needs fixing, fix it- don't search for a new plan.

 

Listen, it was my fault.

I thought you were saying to get rid of public schools altogether. It was mis-communication.

My apologies.

I don't think public schools are all bad.

 

The problem is that most public schools decide they want to raise success, but in order to do so would require more rigorous curriculum, which in turn would mean more failures. And as we all know, when kids fail it lowers their self esteem and causes them to become hopeless smack addicts giving handjobs for quarters. And we can't have that now can we? Of course not. So in order to increase success, they lower expectations, which looks good on paper for a while but after a few years we get a bunch of morons with high school diplomas that aren't worth the paper they're printed on, because their teachers passed them with 75s instead of the 50s they deserved because it would have hurt their self-esteem.

And then we're in this situation, and parents are outraged at the situation with schools. The teachers suck because their unions hold more power than the BOEs and dont give 2 shits about the quality of the education that children receive, only about the quality of the benefits that teachers receive. The kids are stupid because their teachers suck, and because of the ridiculously low standards imposed by do-gooder liberals that "don't want to hurt kids' self esteem." The whole system is fucked and needs to be redone. I say we federalize the school system, make one national BOE and hold everyone to the same standard. That way we judge who is really smarter than who and what areas really need help.

 

its okay, To Err is to Human.. "Let us fight like brothers, or perish as fools" - Martin luther king Jr.

 

I am with you! with federalizing the school system, everyone will have the same standards- if we high standards.. all kids will start learning at their optimum level...

We should all write letters to senators - got any good senators in mind people?

 

American schools are designed to hold graduates back. If high schools pumped out people ready for the job market, it would be devestating to the economy we have set up.

Students don't need to waste time memorizing states and capitals, lists of presidents. Thats all stuff that we can look up if we need it. And thats all stuff that we barely (if at all) remember anyways. High School students are perfectly capable of learning anything that College students learn.

I graduated top of my class, with honors...and it was all such a waste of time. And regardless of how well I did in school, I couldn't get any better job than McDonalds. That's what America wants out of schools, they don't want kids coming straight out of school stealing their jobs...so they make us finish high school, and have to go to college before we can start taking away jobs. Until then we are happy enough to let the kids do the jobs adults don't want. So what do we do? Give them years of busywork (memorizing lists, dates, presidents, etc...) to keep kids in school for as long as possible.

 

You guys are right! Certainly I am not for getting rid of public schools, heck, my father teaches there and he wouldn't have a job! But they're not for my kids!

I think the big problem with PS is that no one is thinking about the kids! It's about money, and doing your job, not about teaching children anything. But they are teaching them, a whole lot more than what they're paid to. Like you said, jedi,

You know, When PS was first started it was designed to raise children into factory workers. The idea was never to educate children so that they become intelligent, successful adults. (No, no! We have rich kids for that!)
Now, I'm sure things have changed and the people in charge have convinced themselves that this is the best way to do things (although I am also sure this was how they were raised.)
This mass education is simply a substandard way of learning, and it has proved to be near impossible to control the results!
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water - you're right - things need to be changed!

How do you suggest (in a practical way) we try to change the system? This is something I could be passionate about, but I don't even know where to begin!
SM, you make a good point. I learened at home, and I had no problem learning at a college level when I was at a high school age.

 

it's all set up Sera Michele

And the select few that are able to get to college can't afford it anyway. Why do you think tuition keeps going up? So only the middle to high class students get to the college.

And where do the low class people end up? Working in McDonalds!

 

Designed to raise children to be factory workers??! I'm not sure where you got that from. The US public school system started with the Puritan's idea that all people should be able to read the bible, way back in the 1600's, before the industrial revolution started. The reason it's about money is because teacher's and the school system aren't properly funded.

I don't know how it works where you all live, but in San Antonio schools are funded (in an addition to the equal federal funding for all public schools) via property taxes. The result? Rich people who live in rich neighborhoods spend more property taxes and send their kids to rich schools. The poor are left with lower property taxes and poorer schools.

I don't have an answer to all this, but if everyone who disagreed with public schools pulled their kids out, the poor kids who don't have that luxery would be left in now even poorer schools, since the school gets a certain amount of money for each child enrolled.

There will always be children who fail, but things can be done to improve the situation.

-Kate