I want the war televised

I want the war televised in a way that is meaningful
I want the war televised from 32 different angles
by cameras as well attached to every soldier so we can see every move he makes. If soldiers kill and torture I want to see why the world thinks it hates
us citizens of the west. I want a channel of pure unexpurgated war
ever soldier tagged with cameras and the ability to play and replay the action
I want the world to see what a soldier sees because then there would be no more war

 

Easier to put an end to war by mandating that any leader or politician wishing to pursue war must be amongst those on the front line before any poor teenager is roped into doing their dirty work.

 

true enuff - I tip my hat to that suggestion

 

Now a days the tv coverage is maintained and run by pr company consultants. It's never going to be as open an up front as it was during the Vietnam War as long as the media is owned by only a few, and there is no competition for coverage. When is the public going to demand objective coverage and reporting again. I don't think most American's even realize that's what the constitution is all about. What we see is totally manufactured for a base result.

There weren't any "embedded" correspondents in the Vietnam war, but we saw pictures that the powers in charge didn't want us to see. They don't want that to happen again. Who's doing the embedding??? I think that concept is just a way to allow collusion and control to occur.

 

Both excellent ideas. We often forget that as citizens of this nation, and as the constitution was intended, WE are the government. WE are America. Unfortunately, we have all been castrated by those we allegedly "elected".

The tide will change.

 

Of course they kill and obviously some have tortured. When this is reported it is used on both sides as 'propoganda'.

It would be nice if there was no war. Though to get the balanced viewpoint you would need to do the same with the 'enemy'. This is unlikely. Seeing [either side] avoid 'the rules of engagement' would be quite i sight i suppose. It might give a better perspective.

Saying that [ i don't know if this applies to you] If you disagree with a action in the first place [war], what is the point in seeing ALL the processes involved. Would it make it any more digestable ?.

I think it is possible to view the official line on all of this. Ignoring the media rhetoric.

UK:
http://www.parliament.uk/useful/sp_iraq.cfm
http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/intelligence/
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&lr=&q=related:image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2003/07/07/WMD_report.pdf

etc etc etc



Would/is it dismissed as 'propoganda' 'lies' etc etc etc .

When soldiers ARE court martialed it's seen as a 'cover up' or 'whitewash'.

What would be the point ?.

 

Public service should not be grounds for loss of liberties. That simply encourages politicians to do the same to us; it gives them all the reasons they need. Bad idea.

 

How do you expect such an operation to be paid for?

Roped? Last I checked, military service was voluntary, and from personal experience I can tell you that the entire enlisting process takes a lot of time in which you are repeatedly questioned by both military and civilian personnel "Do you really want to be here?" "Were you promised anything by your recruiters?", etc etc.

Don't speak for us, please.

 

This is the exact point of the thread. They may have a policy of open government but only to the extent that all their nastiness is hidden below 3 ton of BS. If the people saw what government really actioned in their name - it would be the end of war.
Where is the contract says we cant demand the end of warfare and get our demands? where is the contract that says all information must flow from them to us and not the other way round?
OUR CAMERAS ON THEM FOR A CHANGE HUH?

Thats right and they get the ones that want to be there -
dont you think thats odd that someone joins an army knowing it could go to war? I mean arent they gonna get killers joining up? Once they are on the battle field soldiers lose it and just start shooting civillians - its a bit much really - like the ones whose CO got shot - so 11 of em jumped into a armoured truck and shot a load of civvies in retaliation - like that made sense to do that. If people at home saw that live, would they call the war off with a demo? I think so

 

Great post.

Thank Ford for the independent journalist, the anonymous dude who picks a camera one day and makes a choice to tell the truth, with no one pulling his strings. The corporate-media cannot be trusted.

 

Once again, you know nothing about the military. They don't want killers and recruits are administered a battery of psychological tests. Anyone with those types of tendencies is weeded out and sent home where they usually (and unfortunately) become cops and prison guards.

Call the war off with a demo? You mean demonstration? Are you really that naive? Do you think that the current administration gives two shits about what the American public thinks? He cannot be reelected. So he has license to do whatever the hell he wants and a bunch of angry mothers and longhairs in the street means exactly goatshit to him. Oh yeah, I forgot, 10 years of protests got us out of southeast Asia overnight.

The US is in Iraq until the president AFTER the president after W gets us out. It will take these morons that long to develop an "honorable exit strategy". Trust me, I was in the gulf 15 years ago, we still have troops there from THAT little incursion, the one the entire world approved of. And the last I heard we accomplished all the goals of that operation. But we;re still in Kuwait. We were in Vietnam for 5 years after we had anything useful to do and we got shoved out. Get real, man.

 

and what is your point?

 

OK, you live in England and I've read your posts so I know you speak something that resembles English. Read it again. You seem to have some preconceived notions about the American military and how American politics are executed. You are mistaken about much but it's ok, so is the rest of the world. I don't begrudge you your ignorance. The British are just as famous as the Americans for their hatred of that which that they cannot grasp. Ask a Native American or a Hindu if you question this.

 

Not if the enlistee believes in what the U.S. Government is fighting for -- peace and freedom in Iraq. Or maybe they just want to serve the country they love, no matter how corrupt the leaders are. America is more than just its leaders.

Convicted murderers are not allowed to enlist in any branch of the U.S.'s military.
...and when I went to MEPS to enlist, there wasn't a single person there who was there for "just killing"

I've spoken with quite a few Iraq vets who don't seem to have any problems.

so you've been there huh? and you've seen many troops do that?

Do you have a link(s) to your story?
Obviously there's much more to it than you know or have told.

 

lmao... you know what you speak of.

 

Oh so they just go for the pansies and tell real hard men they are much too frightening I suppose?
Also you miss the point entirely - my point being that it seems convenient that you missed out the bit where a commanding officer gets killed - so his men go on patrol and kill 11 civillians (including a child or two) how does it serve the USA to do this.

Besides which I have to ignore your arguments since this game is between the capitalists and the anticapitalist and I am against you. If your military and your government is not listening to reason - why should I be bothered what its servants have to say . IMO (not MHO) I believe you are either serving the forces now or have done - and you need just one more component - to see the truth - look around - Britain and the US are hated
and that is not my fault but people I know have been hurt by government arrogance and your outdated perceptions of what is worth living and dying for -Who the fuck is government to spy on me, tell me I need a passport to go somewhere - to number me - label me and treat me as though I'm a suspect? I have as much right to spy on them as they have to spy on me - more in fact MORE - Lets not forget who the murdering crims are here -
look into what your government is about - wheres the military's cash going but Bush and Cheneys back pocket, and they use soldiers to guard oil fieldsd with the lives of innocents
Look around you son - get real !!!

 

Most of my comments are out of frustration , so apologies in advance.

It is to a degree. When you spit unsubstantiated venom like this:

Don't you think org's like Al-Quaeda and the other insurgency groups lap up this kind of rhetoric. You do their propaganda for them. Not you entirely obviously. . Just the general attitude of people and media like you.

I hope you are proud of yourself .

Think what you like , but at least don't hide from the fact you perpetuate half / quarter lies.

 

who gives one?
I dont theyre all as bad - hypocrite muslim leaders, westerners, socialists -
christians - - - etc etc etc
ALL GOVERNMENT IS THE SAME - theyre all a bunch of cheap crooks
ALL they do is collude so they stuff the people for money - no morality whatsoever
BESIDE WHICH _ GW had a company - was a director - with Bin Laden
and that bunch of immoral hypocrites - this war is oil and its a crooks game
in which all sides - the Russians, Saud's, Brits, Pakistani's, etc etc etc are all after one thing
WEALTH at the expense of your life - they dont GAF
It isnt us against them - its them against us
We will win - for all their power and killing machine - we have the intelligensia and the subversives on our side - we are anarchist - the left united in global propoganda war with the forces of fat ass capitalism
which means all government the world over and all terrorists

 

Me and Innocent people who die because of rubbish that you and others spew out.

Some NOT all

Unfair [not like you care one bit].

Bin Ladens Family NOT OBL . I don't think they prescribe to his mentality. Putting him in the same conversation as his family is ridiculous. Infact i suspect he shares more in common with your views than ANY member of his family.

Untrue. Yor ignoring about 99% of reality with that worn out claim.

I'm just glad you choose to spew this on E-forums [though i guess this is where some of it starts], and possibly to your group of friends . Thankfully you don't seem violent or overtly radicalised to use your logic to kill people. Unfortunatly some small few are and do. Thus giving us the situation we have now.