I read this in yesterday's paper and it made me sick

[quote="Yesterday's Newspaper]TODDLER AND NANNY DIE IN RIFLE RAMPAGE BY NEO-NAZI SCHOOLBOY
A two-year-old white girl and her black nanny were gunned down in the street after a racist teenager went on the rampage in Belgium.
Witnesses told yesterday how shaven-headed Hans van Themsche, [reference to picture] strode through historic Antwerp looking for victims.
First the 18-year-old neo-Nazi shot and injured a Turkish woman reading on a bench.
Then, just minutes later, he spotted toddler Luna Drowart and her African au-pair Oulemata Niangadou walking nearby and opened fire again - killing them both.
Last night, it emerged that van Themsche had been expelled from a boarding college in Roeselare, about 60 miles from Antwerp, just days before the attacks for smoking.
He left behind a farewell letter in which he said he wanted to "settle accounts with the lawlessness and the lack of discipline in public life".
A fellow student said: "He was annoyed because he said the schoolwanted to exple him. He said "If I can't sleep here I will kill some black people and then commit suicide"."
The youth - who police say had been carrying racist tracks when he embarked on his shooting spree on Thursday - headed to Antwerp.
There he had his head shaved and he bought an automatic rifle and ammunition.
Dressed in a long black coat with the Winchester gun slung across his shoulder, he then marched through the city searching for foreigners.
His first victim was 46-year-old Turk Sonhul Koc. Van Themsche raised his rifle without warning and fired a bullet into her chest from point-blank range.
Witnessess say he then walked calmly away, leaving his victim bleeding on the ground. Her injuries are described as serious, but not life-threatening.
Luna and her 24-year-old nanny, who was from Mali, were strolling hand in hand when van Themesche opened fire minutes later.
"They had no chance. I heard just two shots, one after the other, and they must have died more or less at the same time," said roofer Alex Goschko, who was working nearby.
"The killer was walking away towards the corner when I saw him.
"He seemed totally unconcerned as if he has done nothing out of the ordinary."[/quote]I just wanted to know what you think aobut his. I was shaking when I Was typing it out and it makes me sick to think that people can od things like this. It makes me ashamed to be a human being if this is what other human beings can do!!!!

 

the problem is the school and how easy it was for someone like that to get a gun.

we're all entitled to our own oppinions... that kid can go on hating everyone, if that's what makes him happy. what's fucked up is that schools for the most part alienate and abandon kids like that, instead of embracing them and talking to them. they do it at my school. there's a kid who's dog had puppies, and he killed each puppy in a different, sick way. teachers ignore him, they don't care in the slightest what he does or says. they should put him in counseling immediately, or at least try SOMETHING, instead of making his problems worse. and i'm not going to even start with the school expelling him for smoking. "education" is so disgustingly wrong.

i don't want to talk about the craziness of guns. we all know the fact that they even exist, and anyone can have one, is ridiculous.

i don't want to be a downer, but humans are capable of doing things a million times worse than this.

 

I hate Nazis.

 

by saying that... aren't you yourself being a nazi in a sense?

saying "i hate nazis" is no more justified than saying "i hate black people" or "i hate jews"

just pushin' buttons

 

uhhh...of course it is.

black people and jews do not stand for hatred.

but if "just pushing buttons" means you know that comment was ridiculous, please disregard.

 

nah, they're okay everyonce in a while.

 

Thats why its so imprtant to fight fascism from an early age, its a dangerous force that has to be kept under control...


as leon once said, "fighting fascism is 9/10 education, 1/10 equating their heads with the pavement"

 

but you're still hating a whole group of people for what they believe.

the KKK honestly believes in their hearts that black people are evil.
you honestly believe in your heart that hate is evil... so why practice hate, even toward others who hate? what good does hating do? you already know it causes people to kill, so why not go the opposite way and love? that doesn't mean you have to agree with what nazis stand for, but love them, because you would want them to love you.

if you knew someone who was a nazi, would you tell them you hated them? wouldn't you think that would just stir up more anger inside of them? why not tell them you love them, and hope you can somehow show them it doesn't hurt to love?

 

i would tell any nazi what i think of them

i mean, you gotta make opinions of your own, and maybe not agree with anyone elses. In fact, the concept of just accepting what everyone says is insane!

 

chris has gotta be one of the most consistent people ever

bravo!

and good posts too!

I'm bored...fucking nazis

 

cheers little fella


actually, i dont know if your little or not

and your older than me



your old sig quoted lord of the flies


thats a good book

 

Its kinda hard to believe there still that much hate left in the world.

 

What do blacks and jews believe together as a whole?

First off, I don't believe in "evil"...whatever that means.

I wouldn't want the nazis to love me. They would want my head on a stick according to their beliefs. How can I accept that?

well, if this person was vocal in his/her beliefs, I wouldn't be associating with that person in the first place.

anyways, think of hating people that hate a way of showing disapproval and unrest. The term "hate" can be applied to many outlets of emotion.

 

Hating nazis doesn't mean doing to them what they would have done to me.
Anyway, nazis can all fuck off.

 

exactly.

They're fucked up. I don't show tolerance for hate.

 

i didn't say they believe anything as a whole. i'm saying they're a group, with an easily identifiable characteristic (belief, skin, religion)

you obviously believe being a nazi is "wrong" in some sense, or you wouldn't hate them. and if you don't believe in evil, how can you say a whole group of human beings is completely unreachable and should be shut out, with no exceptions or hope for change? (i'm not implying you said those words, but if you hate all nazis requardless of their individual personalities, it's the same thing)

you want them to keep hating? you'd rather accept their hate, and hate back, than just accept their personal opinions (without condoning their actions)? wouldn't you want someone to accept your opinion, even if they didn't agree, without shoving their's down your throat?

it doesn't matter who you "associate" with. you're going to run into people you don't like all the time, and you'll have to deal with them or at least acknowledge their existence. what if you had a friend and you didn't even know they were homophobic, and one day you were out together and a gay couple were nearby, and your friend said something like "fucking faggots"? would you cut off connections with your friend, or just accept what he thought, and maybe ask him why he felt the way he did?

why? i don't think it is. accepting what people say doesn't mean changing what you think to match what they think. it just means accepting that they said it, and not resenting the fact that they're different than you.

 

right, well allow me to change my word choice so that its not open to a pedantic reply.


The concept of allowing everyone any opinion without being able to challenge it is insane

 

until the english teacher dumbs it down

 

WORD

 

you said: but you're still hating a whole group of people for what they believe.

but you clarified, so it doesn't matter...

well the nazis identify themselves with their beliefs; their views are part of who they are. if they were 'nice' people, I highly doubt they would be affiliated with the nazi party.

people's personalities don't really change too much as time goes on. that's not to say they are all incapable of changing, but the vast majority of them will never see the light, so to speak.

the aggessive child at 6 is most likely the aggessive adult at 26.

well i am gay, so that's a little hard to say. but i wouldn't be too pleased if somebody said "fucking faggots" around me. i would ask him why he made the comment, but it wouldn't really matter. because again, people usually aren't going to change their 'values' to suit other people.