I know without a doubt there is no god

So there.



http://atheist.8k.com/irritate.html
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Quiz_JPO.htm



http://www.infidelguy.com/ig16.html

 

Depends on how you percieve GOD

If it is from other people telling you who god is, then I am not suprised...

Maybe you should throw everything you ever heard out the window and start again, step by step on a path of your own, and find the answers to you own questions.

 

are you giving me advice?

I am already enlightened.

 

Then you know there is no god......

 

yea

 

I pretty much think that if there is a god of some sort, he doesn't (and why would he?) really care about all this dogma crap surrounding religions today. And that we aren't any more special to any creator than anyhting else he created, and that he doesn't take any special notice of us. He doesn't care who sleeps with who, who marries who, who goes to what type of church, etc...

Humans need to get over this thing where we think we are so much more special than anything else. Or like we have some devine reason for being here that any other living thing doesn't. It is just silly.

 

hmmm

 

the illustrations make valid and interesting political points, but like belief itself, are of no pertinence to the nature, origen or even existence of any nontangable force or being, whatever form or nature it may or may not in reality take

they are indeed however, an absolutely valid commentary on popularly fallowed revealed beliefs as they are properly perceived to have come to be practiced.

my own doubt is only that such beliefs are or have any valid or direct relation to whatever nontangable forces and beings may actualy exist.

the bennifit of any belief, one no more nor less then another, is the degree to which it encourages people to want to avoid causing harm, and the harm theirof, the degree to which it encourages people to deceive themselves as to the mechanisms by which they do so.

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Well, maybe dogma is encouraged to create controversy, which generates interest in religion, which in turn causes people to think about God on their own. God wouldn't humiliate the catholic church with a spherical world, evolution/genetics, and pedophilic priests if God wanted us to think that the catholics were the ones to teach you about God. The catholic hierarchy resembles NT pharisees and saducees (the jews who argued against the teachings of Jesus). God is right there, in front of you, around you, in you, everywhere, right now.

Silly.. silly.

 

themnax, hard reading, but well put....

 

Mui

The qualifier in your statement is
"I Know"

You believe..yes..
To 'know'..as 'fact' that there is no god is not an understanding achievable to human beings.
To know there is no god would require the knowing of everything...
Total understanding. Of everything.

What human do you know capable of understnding everything?
That is.. about a hundred trillion trillion trillion trillion more things than you understand?
[and occam]

This is why agnosticism exists.

Occam

 

My dad is working on water crystal formation in concrete (did NMR on concrete samples to look at hydrogen bonds etc.). Some friends of mine are painting concrete, and I will have to paint a concrete floor soon.

 

Guess you would have to be God to know whether or not you (God) exist.

 

thats j ust a crappy argument for people to hold their faith to..

god is man made, therefore it is flawed.

therefore god does not exist

 

lol

 

Kharakov.... Wish I had something important to do like your dad...He sounds interesting

 

lol . Watch the concrete harden, young grasshopper.

 

Pretzel logic... starts with an assumption of the conclusion. I could say:
I have seen miracles and experienced them personally, and seen magic, and spoken with those who have said they communicated with God. I do not disbelieve them just cuz I haven't.

Therefor there is a God.

By the way, when I was 18, I did not believe in God, same as you, but I had a lot of much better points to explain why than you have expressed. This is because I had already studied many religions of all types in depth. Since then, I have seen more of the unexplainable events, so many in fact, that I cannot ignore the existence of some hidden energy or force that is gently guiding and protecting me, and others close to me.

 

Sorry. How do I delete this?

 

Blackguard

At 18 occam did'nt give a F about god..
At 25 he started thinking.
At 30 he became a mildly rational being.
At 35 he said there was no god.
At 40 He saw indications to support such an idea
At 45 The structure of reality begs for a direction....for it has many indicators of being directed.
If this direction be a god...so be it....

What will occam think at 70?
Maybe if he works hard at understanding..some wisdom.

What will he think when he is dead,,,0.
So what was the point of it all..
TO pass what he learnt to other living humans...
His purpose.. is JUST THAT...and no more.
[besides creating ONE new human being]

This purpose is well worth the effort.. It does not as so many wish.
Give him more life...
Occam does not seek MORE LIFE.
He is here to work out what to do with this one..
And to pass that wisdom to others...

This is called being a part of humanity...
And humanity is all that matters.
Not you or occam...
We as individuals may through our thinking and acts..
Change the human situation for the better.

maybe one in a hundred think of this...
And that is why the world is as it IS.


Occam