I hate the cowboy culture

it promotes racism, gun violence, has the most annoying music. i mean, seriously, this shit is ridiculous.

 

One man's trash is another man's treasure. It's sounds like your the bigot, hating cowboys, knowing nothing about them. What your describing are rednecks not cowboys. I say this living around them both.

Do you know what a cowboy is??

sh

 

FYI
The Cowboy Code

The Cowboy never shoots first, hits a smaller man or takes advantage.
He must never go back on his word or a trust confided in him.
He must always tell the truth.
He must be gentle with children, the elderly and animals.
He must not possess racially or religiously intolerant ideas.
He must help people in distress.
He must be a good worker.
He must keep himself clean in thought. speech, action and personal habits.
He must respect women, parents, and his nations laws.

The Code Of The West

Take pride in your work.
Always finish what you start.
Do what has to be done.
Be tough but fair.
When you make a promise keep it.
Ride for the brand.
Talk less say more.
Remember some things are not for sale.
Know when to draw the line.


Now please tell me what you hate about the Cowboy again!!

 

(checks to see where mercury is)

 

Is guessing you never heard the Outlaws play, Waylon, Willie and the boys. I will take them over any other band today or ever as far as I am concerned. The best song writers and musicians ever to grace the planet, done more good for the ppl then any kick group that's playing now.

It's a family tradition ya know. Passed down from the ole timey hill music and the deep southern blues. Honest and real, true like experience. From the very heart of our country folk, who have a different style of livin', you gotta be country to know what country is about. I also listen to Old RocknRoll from the 60s/70s. But I dont care much for todays music.

I dont like Hip Hop, Rap or jazz, it promotes dis'cord' and disrupts my inner haromy. But that is just my opinion, my preferance. I dont not hate the singers or writers of that type of music, it their choice as to what they listen to. It's also your choice as to what you listen to. But to actually bring your hate in here is kind of reflecting a bad image of yourself.

sh

 

i've never lived in the country except in my travels and reading but i know there have been and are people of nearly every national origin that have worked the ranches and ranges.i know racism existed in the old west perhaps today but probably to a lesser degree than other parts of the country.as new towns sprang up gun violence was an unfortunate problem as it has been everywhere.as for the music if you go back to the origins i think you'd find some music you might really like or at least have some appreciation for.as time has gone by and the music became more urbanized i might agree with you.i'm not a big fan of present day country music.my favorite era in country weststern music was from the late 40's to the late 70's.check out willie nelson,waylon jennings,johnny cash,kris kristoferson and others sometime you might like it.lots of other artists too.patsy cline,buck owens,the carters,tammy wynette,i'm just trying to turn you on to some cool music but you can take it or leave it.i do respect your opinions though. edit...anyone that doesn't like country music has never heard hank williams sing.

 

:iagree: ^^^

 

not to mention all the gun slinging (dueling) and murderous crazies that are practically idolized by this culture (like billy the kid). kids surrounded by this are gonna grow up aspiring to be bank robbing murderers. i mean! come on!

 

it is interesting that the old west has been given so much time in our thoughts.i grew up during the time westerns were the most popular shows on t.v....very popular at the movies too.before learning baseball and other sports playing cowboy was the most popular thing.one of my grandkids will come up to me and take a shot at me.i'll usually say something like........"ugggggh ya got me" or "owwwwwww!" or "you missed me"...the thing is i never saw much point in haveing a gun.hunting,target shooting.but protection.nope....lots of what ifs....could come up and they have.i don't need a gun.....i like those western magazines like they have in drug stores and such.pretty good reading....billy the kid certainly has had a lot of writing and film devoted to him..i know aaron copeland wrote a ballet about him.about 30 years ago i came across a book being sold at the library super duper cheap called "the collected works of billy the kid".i wish i still had it.(where hell is it?) oh well.anyway it was a good mixture of poetry and story telling.when i was in st. joseph,mo. i toured the house jesse james was killed in.it's now right next to a large hotel where the pony express business offices were.a couple blocks away are the stables where the horses rested up.and the riders and other workers came to work.anyway of course i had to go down near kearney where the james's farm was.and down closer to independence where they held up a bank early in their careeres....also northfield ,mn where things went wrong.and madelia,mn where some of the gang was captured.see what i do when someone comes at me with a gun?i bore them to death.or maybe just to sleep.nighty night.zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzhuh?zzzzzzzzz

 

before it was a culture it was history. No one fabricates the culture anyways. Besise if they did then kids would have morals.

 

At least cowboys aren't as bad as the current gangster style culture. I mean I try to find the good in any culture but, its real hard with them.

 

from "the collected works of billy the kid" by michael ondaatje-1970.....after shooting gregory...this is what happened...i'd shot him well and carefull...made it explode under his heart...so it wouldn't last long...was about to walk away...when this chicken paddles out to him...and as he was falling hops on his neck...digs the beak into his throat...straightening legs and heaves...a red and blue vein out...meanwhile he fell...and the chicken walked away...still tugging at the vein...till it was 12 yards long...as if it held that body like a kite...gregory's last words being..."get away from me yer stupid chicken"...

 

I have to say this, there is a real difference between a cowboy and a redneck. Cowboys are the original " to each their own " type people that a lot of us can relate to. I do think the poster was indeed talking about rednecks.

 

The Cowboy life was one of loneliness as they pushed the cattle across the country. They rode ate,slept and lived in the saddle, only coming into town when the herd was delivered and the pay was handed out.

Cowboy were not gunslingers, outlaws were. Of course they toted guns for protection, from rattle snakes, varmits, four legged and two legged. They would whoop it up when the trail ride ended be they would mostly just get drunk and play cards and naturally, would visit the Ladies of Comfort after a hot bath and some sprinkles of Bay Rum.
Some would end up in the Pokey for disturbing the peace but seldom for gun play.

I'm no authority but my hubby is and so was my father, and I have it etched in my brain from yrs n yrs of programing. We have several books on the subject and I can practically guarentee that I have seen every cowboy movie, program, documentry on the West and The Cowboy, and nothing you have discribed resonates with the cowboy way. I think you should read up on the cowboy so you will not the outlaw and cowboy confused in the future.

Peace and Love
sh

sh

 

Hate, hate, hate!

Cowboys aren't the problem, gangstas aren't the problem ...

People who hate are the problem.

 

Real cowboys were far from what Hollywood portrays.First of all about 25% were black. About another 12% were Mexican.

The biggest thing that stands out in my mind when I think of the "Cowboy" is western expansion and the genocide that took place in the wake of the "New Frontier"


Because of the expansion of the agricultural frontier, the expansion of the mining frontier, the expansion of the cattlemen's empire, the invasion of the railroads into the Great Plains, all of this brought white Americans into a final and tragic confrontation with the original occupants of this land:
the Native Americans, the Indians.
We need to turn our attention for a few minutes to these victims of civilization, these victims of progress.


1) Red River War: At Civil War's end in 1865, there were approximately 300,000 Native Americans living in the West.
Some of these Indians, particularly the Comanche, had been for over two-hundred years, successfully fighting off invasions--invasions by the Spanish, French, the English, and finally, the Americans. Many observers of the Comanche considered them the finest mounted warriors in the entire world. Their horsemanship gave them superiority as hunters and as fighters and enabled them to migrate vast distances when depleted hunting grounds no longer contained game. And so the Comanche became one of the early targets of the federal government and the Army. A series of clashes took place. The final confrontation took place in the winter of 1874-75 in Texas. A battle known, at least from the white side of the issue, as the Red River War. In this war, the federal government did not defeat the Comanche as much as strip the Comanche of the main means of fighting: that is, the horses. The Army, rather than directly fight the Comanche, roamed throughout Texas systematically slaughtering herds of wild horses the Comanches depended upon for both their hunting and fighting. Harassed by the Army, deprived of their means of transportation, the demoralized Comanches, by the middle of 1875, began to appear at the federal agencies on the reservations seeking government rations that, meager as they were, represented the only alternative to starvation.


2) Far West: Roughly the same time, 1877, one of the major tribes was the Nez Percé Indians. There was a valley in the state of Washington [Territory] known as the Walla Walla Valley--rich agricultural land. In 1876, 1877, white settlers tried to pour into the Walla Walla Valley. The Nez Percé Indians led by a remarkable man known to us as Chief Joseph, refused and tried to fend off white invasion. A tragic episode occurred. The federal government sent the troops in to force the Nez Percé off their lands and to accept new territorial boundaries. Chief Joseph gathered together a band of two hundred warriors and some four hundred women and children, began a long trek to escape the white settlers across the lands into Canada. Over a period of about four months, winding back and forth but ever going northward trying to reach the Canadian border, Chief Joseph led his people in escaping the federal government and the Army. The band traveled more than a thousand miles. Finally in late 1877, just a few miles from the Canadian border, the troops captured Chief Joseph and his warriors, the old people, the women, the children, and sent them off to Indian territory.

Geronimo

While the Nez Perce conflict was going on, in the Southwest (New Mexico and Arizona) another set of tribes, collectively known to the white man as the Apache, were trying to fend off white invasion--invasion of miners, invasion of agricultural settlers, invasion of cattle growers. Various clashes had taken place in the late 1860s into the 1870s. Various peace agreements had been signed between Apache leaders and the federal government. Those peace agreements systematically were broken either by the Apache on their side or by the federal government on its side. Finally in 1884, a major leader of the Apache, a man named Geronimo, a fierce warrior, agreed with federal representatives to lead his people on to the San Carlos Reservation in Arizona. A year later, after a year of starvation on the reservation, Geronimo led his people off the reservation, fleeing into the hills of northern Mexico. In March of 1886, after three days of negotiations and talk, Geronimo agreed to return once again to the reservation. During these conversations, widely covered by newspaper reporters, Geronimo blamed the federal officials for all the disagreements that had arisen. Speaking very bluntly, he told the U.S. General this: "Whenever I meet you, I talk good to you. And you to me. And peace is soon established. But when you go to the reservation, you put agents and interpreters over us who do bad things." By "bad things," Geronimo meant corrupt practices, the provision of spoiled food, moth eaten and disease-ridden blankets, foul liquor, humiliating existence, continuous threats of imprisonment.


3) "Battle of Little Big Horn": The Sioux Indians were the Indian tribes that lived in much of the Dakotas and the Black Hill areas of the Dakotas. And those Indians had originally agreed to go on the reservations established under that earlier peace commission. They might have remained on those reservations peacefully, had not a major silver discovery taken place in the Black Hills. Miners were invading the Black Hills looking for both gold and silver in the early 1870s. Angered by this miners' invasion, the Sioux left the reservation, gathered together in Montana territory under the dual leadership of two great warrior generals: Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull.

Read more here...

http://us.history.wisc.edu/hist102/weblect/lec03/03_06.htm

 

Well, all that may very well be, but it very little to do with the cowboy, so I dont see it having much baring on the subject of COWBOYS, your talking about Soilders and the government agents and politicians, not cowboys.. Like I said COWBOYS pushed cattle across the country, they worked for wages and were transit usually not having a place to call home, but went from one cattle drive to the next. They rarely got involved in matters of the state as they were not really affiliated with any political stance. Only the Cowboy Way and the code of the west.

The Cowboy never raided Indian villages or slaughtered anyone. They might have had to fight their way out while passing through Indian country, but I doubt if they hunted them down and attacked them. Who'd be tending the cattle. Many a cattle drive surcame to Indian attacks and were slaughtered just for passing through.

They were not there to possess any land or kill the Buffalo, they were just passing through.

I'm a Texan and my hero's have always been cowboys, and Bob Wills is still the king. You could always tell the cowboy from the gunslinger, the cowboys wore white hats

Did I mention that my husband is a Clanton, direct decendent of The Clantons from Tombstone. We have done extencive study on his geneology. They were labled as cattle rustlers but the truth is, they rounded up unbranded longhorns in Mexico and brought them over the border.

They did not russel cattle from their neighbors. There may have been one down the line, but there is always at least One in every family now isnt there.

Well I have spent enough time trying to point out the difference between, outlaws, gunslingers, government control, military and The Cowboy.

I hope you see the real cowboy way

sh

 

what's to hate about cowboys?! sheesh.

 

yay. someone got the moral of the story.

 

WTF?!? " Yay, someone got the moral of the story" ?!? Your the one that brought the moral of the story into it, you posted the hate, now you say that there is a moral to your hate. You ARE deranged, you cant slip out of it that easily after you found out how WRONG YOU ARE!!. We are not that stoopid. What kinda bullshit is this anyway!

Your about to push Mercury over into retrograde.

MC