i think i've found some suppliers in hong kong but does it matter or not whether or not the chemical comes as a hydrochloride and does it affect the potency/dosses.
Hydrochloride is just a salt form of the compound as opposed to the freebase…. For some compounds, it would theoretically have no affect on primary effects… for others the difference between freebase and salt from will affect all aspects of the compound. The devil is in the details.
Yes the hydrochloride has mass... If the compound is quite heavy and/or if the hydrochloride form is itself active, it may effectively make no difference in dosage. If the compound is light and/or for some strange reason the HCl is not an active form, could change the profile drastically. Again the devil is in the details as noted multiple times above. IB
ok so for the first RC im goign to order TMA-2 (psychedelic amphetamine i may have found my perfect psytrance rave drug) is available in hydrochloride. Will I have to adjust the erowid dosages for this or does erowid dosages assume hydrochloride. What about for 2C-I C D E P whatever
One main difference between HCl salt and freebase becomes important, if you want to smoke a compound. It is often said that you can´t smoke HCl salt. Well that´s not completely true, for you´ll also get some kind of effect if you smoke a salt, but you´ll get more unpleasant side effects and less psychedelic effects. Freebases are ideal for smoking (remember that crack is cocaine freebase; if you smoke cocaine you´ll get much less effect that if you insufflate it, but the freebase really kicks when you smoke it)! 2 Years ago I did some experiments with freebasing ephedrine - the results were really "Wow!". I got so high, that I decided, that this one is too dangerous for me and cancelled further research.
lol im on ephedrine right now, 55mg oral. How many mg do you have to smoke. I find i have quite a bad crash after about 3 hours though from oral ingestion. Does smoking it give similiar effects?
It's a HCL so it will be water soluble. In other words, it's orally active, so it's safe to assume erowid refers to the HCL form (or concievably, a sulfate). It is, however, at most 12% HCL by wieght. -------- If you must try to get high off epedrine, than take a large does of vitamin C with it (like 1000 mg). It will potentialize the drug's effects.
Yep, but as the smoking route is active much faster, the coming down is also much faster. My tests showed the ephedrine freebase to be active for 15-20 mins. I tried doses from 15 to 80 mgs (and 80mgs was really heavy!).
80mg smoked? woah 55mg eaten is the most ive done and i thought that was pretty intense, do you reckon it would be safe to go up to 73mg? Erowid says fatalities have occured at high levels but just how much is "high levels"?
Well, I´ve heard of people who went far beyond 100mgs, but I think it very much depends on how much you´re used to this stuff. And of course on the purity. Some resources supply some very bad stuff with low purity, so you can dose high without really mean effects. With pure ephedrine, I wouldn´t dare to go much higher than you did. Remember: I did the freebasing at home, with no large lab equipment, so I can´t tell how much of my "ephedrine freebase" was really an active compound and how much was inactive material. Maybe the 80mgs I tried contained only 20% ephedrine freebase and maybe the rest was inactive rubbish.
Where is a good place to get epedrine?? Ive tried 2Ci and 2ce loved them both i actually bought Pihkal and ordering tihkal here in a bit but i def recomend them. If anybody has a good research chemical ordering site that let me know i need one.
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