Hunting

Hunting Should Be Illegal! Stupid Rednecks Killing Poor Animals!

 

Are you going to make it illegal for carnivores (predators) to kill other animals aswell?
Maybe you could convince the big cats of Africa to try the vegetarian diet.
Humans are another animal on this planet and therefore we must obide by the unchangable rules of the animal kingdom. The rule you are having trouble accepting is that the only right some-animal needs to kill is the right of might. It is the way....don't fight it.

Is someone forcing you to hunt and kill animals? I assume not. So why do you have a problem? You have a personal problem with animals being hunted and you do not hunt them - you should be at peace my friend.

 

Well since you put this in the environment category here i'll have to say something. Hunting is actually good a lot of the time and useful. In Wisconsin from where I am from, the deer herd population is so high in numbers hunting is essential to keep their herd size at a sustainable level. Their high herd density is actually bad for ecosystems because they become too much of a dominant factor. If there wasn't hunting on these species they would starve during the winter and die. So Hunting is useful and still does have a purpose.

 

though the reason deer are over populated is becasue all there natural preditors where hunted to extinciton. nothing you can do about in now though. hunting is hte only way to curb thier populations.

i didnt get any hunting tags in the draw this year so Im kind a screwed. there will be no bbqed venison on the grill this winter. and I bought a brand new compound bow too.

 

i don't know. i've nothing against hunting really, last i heard it was hunters and hunting related taxes/fees that paid for most conservation type stuff.

but, it doesn't seem the same as a lion when you've got a gun. chase a deer down with a knife, then yeah.

 

while there are a lot of hunters who don't behaive very responsibly and hunting has never been a practical source of the majority of anyone's nutrition, even in hunting and gathering societies, the taking of individual animals for meat is less of a threat to NONendangered species, then habitat loss due to road building and deforestation.

natural preditors cull the herds rather then taking the dominant males in their prime. too often hunting regulations and seasons create a pattern that is the exact and harmful opposite.

then of course there is the matter of how one feels about the killing of a living creature. this is a matter i won't judge either way. there's certainly nothing wrong with vegitarianism if that is what it takes to feel at peace with your conscience.

but i know our own species did not evolve as herbivours but omnivours, like bears and other apes. and there is nothing unnatural about a taste for meat.

perhaps if hunters were only allowed to use swords, spears, bows and knives, instead of long range rifles and doing so in certain seasons, the patern of human predition would more closely and healthily resemble the natural one.

i don't have all the answers but i know i'm not flat out against all hunting. however as someone who grew up in the woods, i don't see anything good about a bunch of drunks going out and shooting everything that moves the way they do on the first day or week of 'hunting season'.

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Damn straight...Same goes for the indians. Those bastards should stop killing animals. We already gave them some land and casinos. What more do they want???

(memo for the ultra p.c.: please note sarcasm)

 

I have to agree that whiskey sodden rednecks on opening day of a hunting season is a drag. When I lived in the lower 48 I wouldn't even deal with that.

All hunters are not rifle blasting rednecks. I started harvesting game for food some years ago in attempts to live a subsistance lifestyle, to live off the land as much as possible involving as little consumerism as possible.

I agree that using something besides a high powered rifle is fairer to the animal. My son and I became certified to bow hunt two seasons ago, but only felt we were skilled enough and had a good enough shot to take our moose with a bow this fall. If you are going to try to kill something make sure you kill it instead of having a wounded animal in pain wandering around in the woods.

Contrary to the "redneck" stereotype placed on all hunters, some of us don't really like the killing part and give thanks to the animal and the spirit for the food we get.

I support my vegetarian brothers and sisters and believe in their convictions regarding their life. I also feel strongly in my own convictions that to be able to provide over 60% of the food necessary to feed my family of seven, without involving Safeway, is an accomplishment I am proud of.

 

I have to relae a true story here because it's so surreal.
I have a biology professor who's also a rancher. The other day he was talking about how he's raising some deer in a pen. Apparently that's legal in this state. He said they're in the pen only until they're big enough to roam his land. Where he will then hunt them down and kill them To further the sick weirdness, a couple of rednecks in the class started a discourse with him over what a great idea that is. They started talking about how much more tender the meat will be because they were raised in a controlled environment. Then they started, all three including the professor, expounding on what an adrenalin rush it is to go hunting. The same professor has repeatedly made comments about how stupid vegetarians are and they should be shot as well etc... Now does it strike anyone else as strange that he's teaching biology.

Anyway, I also know a family who relies soley on hunting game. They live out in the river bottoms and that's the way they live their life. I have no quarrel with them. They're good folk.

My view really lies in the intention instead of the actual act of hunting.

 

How weird you have this thread when that Wisconsin hunter just killed 3 people argueing over a blind.

I'm from TX and a deer lease is an important thing there, lots of the hunters sit in blinds with salt licks, just get plowed, and shoot whatever wanders by. Hunting with a bow is so much more sporting really.

Did you ever watch one of those hunting shows on TV? They talk about "harvesting" deer. Seems strange when worded that way.

P.S. I'm not a vegertarian, not against hunting in concept (my uncle is a big game hunter - I'm against that - he pays tons of money to be allowed to hunt endangered animals, so he can have one of each), but I could never kill a critter myself. Love that backstrap, tho

 

Haha you people have it all wrong. Well i live in michigan and here there are so many deer, that the government tells people to go out in hunt because the hole ecoysystem gets screwed up if there are too many deers. And saying that stupid rednecks kill poor animals, well first off about everyone I know is not a redneck that hunts, so i think you might be wrong. And also somebody said that people go out and get drunk and shoot everything that moves...hahah, totally untrue just to let you all know

 

Interesting story Pear Tree. I guess I have to agree that many, if not most, hunters are in it for all the wrong reasons. I don't even buy into the getting into the outdoors or bonding with your sons.

The sad fact is most are gun toting rednecks who get off on the killing and the power. I do get indignant to be classified as such because I feed my family with wild game.

I just looked at todays paper and saw the story about yesterday's dispute over a deer stand in Wisconsin that lead to 3 men, a teenage boy and a woman dead. I believe this was on opening day.

 

Yeah, like my sig other. His father took him on a "bonding" elk hunt. And ridiculed him when he missed his very first shot. Some bonding. They don't even talk to this day. Oh, well, at least it turned him off hunting forever!

 

I guess it depends on the person. Me and my dad go out hunting and it is a bonding time, its very peaceful just to be out in nature. As far as drunk rednecks shooting anything that moves, im appaled. Neither of us would ever handle a gun drunk and I'll only shoot something that has at least 4 antlers. Just because a lot of rednecks do hunt, and for the wrong reasons I think its extremely narrow minded to classify all hunters that way.

 

When a truck load of guys showed up at my farm before hunting day to ask if they could hunt my 70 acres (back then it was 70 acres, today it's only 8.1) I would take them out to the buck barn and have them cut the throat of one of my wethers (a castrated buck goat).

When none of them could or would do it, I straddled the animal myself, and pulled a very sharp knife across the throat of the animal. One day a fella was wearing glasses when I did this and the blood from the goat's neck spurted all over his face. His buddies turned green and left my property.

I thought that they deserved this kind of dicrimination because it is always so damned easy to point a rifle and shoot... to not be there when the eyes of the distantly killed began to cloud over in death.

In other words... to be distinctly responsible for the taking of a life yourself.

I don't enjoy killing. But in those days it was the only meat we ate... that which we killed. I killed the animals whom I loved from the time I pulled them from their mother's womb.... raised them with love. Cared for them without thought to myself and killed them with my own hands. I ate their meat with respect.

Those who do not know the clouding over of death in the eyes of those they have just slain... have NO GODDAMNED FUCKING BUSINESS KILLING!

If you have any argument with my point... Come and see me at Sam's Place.

 

sam, well said.

 

i wouldnt worry too much about the occasional deer and raccoon that your simple minded redneck puts out of its misery, be afraid of the govt, they have much bigger guns and support walmart.

 

Its native americans Tom...Native Americans

 

I'll say this, you don't need a gun to kill an animal. Also, foxwalking up on a bunch of 'rednecks' and then stealing their thunder so to speak, is also a sport. There are some real natives down here. I mean backwoods, true blood, live off the land. I love those people because they live a life of honesty. Some f'tard that thinks it's cool to hunt with an auto and a case of coors needs to be jacked with by the fox. Needs to have that weapon mysteriously dissapear. Needs to go home and explain why his gun got lifted by a poltergeist. :sunglasse

 

come on down bubby. let's take a trip and we'll show you 'injun'. May coyote dance on your bed of sleep for a hundred days.