hunting

Ive checked through a few pages on the forums
about the majority of they ways Ive read so far on ways to obtain food

haven't seen much on hunting for your food.

is this looked down on upon in the community?

my plan is to at one point once i find a permanent settlement is to live completely or almost completely free of money.

 

Hunting for food is one thing. I don't think it much matters who "looks down on it". What a lot of people, including myself, object to is purposely slaughtering animals just for the hell of it. But that's not what you're talking about, so never mind.

There are a couple of things about your plan you need to think about:

1. you can't live entirely on meat. Your body needs nutritional things that you can't get from meat.

2. if you're going to live "completely free of money", where are you going to get ammunition and whatnot? Or do you plan to make your own bow-and-arrows? You also need other things besides food ... you need shelter and tools and medical supplies and a zillion things that are very difficult if not impossible to make yourself.

 

I agree with Cali' about the bloodthirsty hunter bulllshit. Plenty of hunters up here just want to shoot sumthin'...
Don't even get me started on these fucking pricks that want to shoot wolfs...

I don't think there is anything wrong with hunting for food. Personally, I find it disgusting and a pain in the ass. The only way it is practical is if you hunt big game and have a freezer for storing all the meat.
I have eaten plenty of deer elk bear and found each of them delicious at times and barley edible at other times. Most Wild game is so lean you must add some fat so it isn't too dry. ('cept bear)
I prefer organic grass-finished beef.

Also hunting game animals must be done during legal season.
Your alternative is to hunt or trap non-game species
(they call 'em pests) as they can be harvested year-round without license. Most states do require some form of registration and proof of residence.
So now you're eating stuff like gophers, raccoon, skunk. chucks, fox, rats, etc...
I have not tried eating any of these critters, but my own research tells me this meat is as good (nutritious) as any other. Old Mountain men had a saying " meat is meat" :ack2:
And no you can't live on meat alone.
To get your necessary nutrients you would have to do like the Inuit and eat a certain amount of offal (guts) hair, feathers...
or the digest from the gut of herbivores ... mmm, digest...uke:

As for living free in the wild without money... In todays world it is not only impossible, it is mostly illegal..
a cool fantasy...that is all.

ZW

 

I've read that. Ironic, isn't it?

Also, I've read that you should avoid polar bear liver. The concentration of vitamin A is so high as to be toxic.

 

Yup. Dog liver too. :ack2:





ZW

 

Well, if you're chowing down on rats, who needs dog liver?

 

Dont listen to these goofballs, wopr.

It IS possible to live entirely off of meat, in fact, since I adopted a carnivorous diet I have never felt even CLOSE to this kind of awesome.

If you plan on living entirely free of money out in the woods, get used to eating meat because you sure as shit cannot survive out there eating vegetation haha.

Although caliente is right in that you will need skills to live out there.. She is wrong that you cannot learn and become proficient in them yourself. If you listen to her negative attitude then its true, you wont be able to since you have already told yourself you cannot before you have even tried.

 

And if you continue, you will eventually come down with any manner of diseases or nutritional deficiences, and quite possibly die.

And you've done all that yourself, no doubt. Teaching yourself how to manufacture your own ammunition, tools, medical supplies, clothing, shelter, and various equipment ... all that is a total piece of cake, eh?

You sound like a foolish young man. And you need to learn the difference between a "negative" attitude and a realistic one. I hope your survival skills are better than your knowledge of psychology.

 

I think after over a year I would have developed some kind of at least oral problem. Instead I feel fantastic and my mouth feels like I have just had my teeth cleaned at the dentist, but hey, what does my own personal experience know *shrug*

It IS possible to make your own ammunition, tools, clothes.. everything...
NO! it is not a piece of cake, I think you're missing the point of the lifestyle.

You must think of living in the woods as some kind of holiday retreat. This is not what "real" living in the woods is about.. you would probably want flush toilets and showers when you're 'living in the woods'. haha

What you are really saying is that YOU could not live out in the wilderness, with a true oneness with the nature and life around you.

 

Well i have also been eating nothing but raw flesh for the past year and last time i checked my pulse i was still alive haha. yes of course its possible to do this! its hard work but it is possible.dont listen to negative people and do what you believe in.just because they cant doesnt mean you cant.

 

The reality is that mankind survived the past million years only through the progressive development of agrarian techniques rather than relying on simply hunting skills.

I would suggest you learn how to grow plants instead of hunting and in only this way will you thrive in the end.

 

...driven entirely by the desire to make more beer!

The development of agrarian life doomed us to an existence of toil behind the plow instead of happily gathering, hunting and groovin' our way through life.

Instead we can get drunk and march against our enemy's!

Progression ...dig it or die!


ZW eace:

 

How would you keep a whole deer:
fresh with no refridgeration and without eating a shit load of salted meat?
from attracting dangerious wildlife?

 

no, before mankind discovered how to load the ground with grain and then process it to become edible.. then bloom across the planet like a cancer, we would have lived off of the wildlife around us

If you think that we eat plants then you obviously have only ever acquired them from a grocery store because if you had ever actually tried to do some real wild foraging you would learn very fast that the human body just is not designed to be hunched over picking things up off of the ground.

A whole deer is nothing for a group to go through in a few days... It would be unnatural to live solo in the wilderness, we are not solitary creatures.

 

Your knowledge of anthropology is even worse than your knowledge of psychology.

All human societies throughout history began in Neolithic times as small bands of hunter-gatherers, with emphasis on the "gathering". As much as 75% of their calories came from plant material. This is still true today, even in modern industrial societies.

In times past, humans hunted for meat because it's a concentrated source of certain nutrients. Even chimpanzees do the same thing. I am not saying that humans should not eat meat. I am saying that your Rambo view of living "in the wild" without money and without access to modern "conveniences" is next to impossible.

For starters, how are you posting to this website? Did you build your own computer out of twigs? Where does the electricity come from?

Where do you live? Where do you do your hunting? How do you preserve the meat, or do you hunt illegally out of season? If you salt it, where does the salt come from? What weapons do you use to hunt with? Do you make your own arrows?

What happens if you get sick or break your leg or accidently cut off a finger?

How do you survive the winter? Do you use a hand-hewn stone axe that you made yourself to cut firewood? Surely you don't use a metal axe, or god forbid a chainsaw? And I'm sure you use a stone knife that you yourself quarried and chipped, and then of course you hafted it using pitch.

What do you use for clothing? Do you tan the hides yourself? Do you sew your own boots?

Did you build you own cabin, again using a stone axe to cut and shape the logs? What did you use to thatch the roof? Do you have the stonemason skills to build the fireplace and chimney yourself?

Man, even if you possessed all these skills, there aren't enough hours in the day to accomplish all you'd need to accomplish.

I don't believe for a second that you actually do this.

 

Actually, I have been an avid gardener for years since my trust in grocery vegetables is not very high.

In terms of gathering things to eat whether it be in deep woods or out in a dessert setting rarely requires one to hunch over or even be on your knees unless you are searching for edible roots. I will admit that over the years I have learned a great deal about edible plants, but only as a survival tactic in case of an emergency.

In terms of eating deer or other wildlife, you had better be quick in skinning and curing the meat, for only after an hour at normal temperatures, it will begin to spoil and once a fly lands on it, you have lost your chance and will most likely end up a victim of food poisoning.

 

You crazy lady, All im trying to do is let people know that it IS possible to live self sufficently in the wild.

Im telling you that i DO live off of meat, something that im sure you have never done and that i am having incredible results doing it, I have been doing this for over a year now and i just keep feeling better every day. I really could care less about your 'facts', which is just something that you have been told and you have adopted it as the truth. In fact without my meat diet I seriously doubt that I would be able to live the way that I do.

Yes, you will be 'breaking the law' to live this lifestyle, personally that is not a problem for me.

I already had an axe and tools and all that kind of stuff before I went and lived out on the land for the last 10 months. I never said that I live out there full-time; just that it is possible.. it is NOT something that you just dive into head first. We are not raised with the skills necessary to live that way, we dont have the foundations already laid for us so it is a lot of work, you need to be very motivated. This is something that I want very badly and im willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.

All i am letting people know is that it IS possible to do, I have actually LIVED this way for 10 months and I see no reason why after a few more years of skill building that I could not do this full time; Especially if I moved somewhere like Newfoundland that is remote and apparently has a moose overpopulation.

To me caliente you just sound like a bitter person who never went for her dreams; grew too old to achieve them and now the only way you can find satisfaction is through trying to drag others down who want to take a chance and live them.

I am not waiting, working for 20 more years saving my pennies just so when im older I can pay somebody else to grant me the things in life I desire. I am alive today and as soon as I decided to grab it by the throat and take 100% control a whole new world of opportunity opened up before me.

I suppose the main difference between us is this: I am not afraid.

 

Hahaha, well if that is the case I should be dead at least 10 times over. I have eaten POUNDS of meat that has been rotting for WEEKS.. I wont lie, it tastes pretty funky (although you acquire a taste for it, like all fermented foods)

Maggots taste like whatever meat they are eating at the time (all meat tastes different) and are perfectly edible.

You are all telling me supposed 'facts' about a lifestyle that i am Living. I would say that my own personal experience towers over something someone told you that they heard from somewhere.

 

I can only say that you have been lucky, at least up to this point, but luck has a funny way of running out and leaving you in a bad situation from which you are unable to extract yourself.

By the way, if anyone (us strangers) are bitter, it is actually you and the proof is in your posts.

Even so, all the best to you, but you will find that advice given freely should always be considered.

 

No, the difference is ... you made ridiculous, outlandish claims about your own prowess that you couldn't back up, and when you were challenged on them, you got defensive and tried to weasel out of them. You weren't able to answer any of my questions about your supposed skills or your supposed lifestyle, which as it turns out you don't live anyway. You're a liar.

I have no complaint with your hunting, which I made clear from the beginning. I do have a complaint with you making macho, half-baked claims that you can't back up.