How there isn't (creator=designer=God)? (Presentation)

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Hi everyone, I hope you are all fine and happy today and everyday, Amen =)​

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Peace and love​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

a question ive always had for people with this type of argument is, if someone has to be here to create all that you see, then what created the creator? the argument that someone has to be here to create everything presents another question, and that is the one i asked above. i myself believe that the universe has always been here and will continue to be here, with or without human existence.

 

and about the ideas you have about how randomness would create ugly beings and such, think about the fact that we and everything we see is beautiful only because it is compared to what you see. imagine if there was something out there, so beautiful that the human mind couldnt imagine it without first seeing it. we could very well be considered ugly and random compared to a different standard, one that might exist

 

"Originally Posted by catstevens
cannot come from nothing. Nothing cannot create something. You talked about an explosion (Big bang) which means there was a random scattering; accordingly if you will scatter three different colors randomly in a white paper could you ever get After billions years a picture for Wales' flowers! Or a picture of London's street!!

The Jigsaw puzzle [a picture cut up into many pieces] would you believe me if I will tell you that a wind or something fitted these pieces together? Something which doesn't have a brain to think where it should put each piece!! "

Give an example in the physical world of something equivalent to a jumbled jig saw puzzle. There isnt, because everything in the physical world is what it is supposed to be. What are you comparing our complexity to? Something not made by your creator?

The fact that we make tables out of wood speaks nothing about the need for the wood to be designed first. The two dont add up. Theres no proof and theres no logic

 

Smurfing-Nibbles and Colours ​

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About randomness, in other words,​

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I don't know if you have seen the presentation, it is talking about the organized body, an organized system and arrangements in the creatures' bodies and nature which point to a designer existence. Take a look, it is very good.​

And take a look at this Clickè very relevant​

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Peace and love​

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You lost me probably!!!​

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There must be someone who organized your body. Read about our system our body's system!!​

Watch the presentation. and Open this link, Click è please answer Allah's questions.​

Give such issues some of your time, please​

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show me your logic proof or theory, how did we exist, how was the begining of this world?​

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Best wishes ​

Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

you responded to one of my sentences and your own quote within my post =o

 

Colours​

which one is the other one exactly? quote it , please​

I wanted you to read it again, especially the highlighted ones.​

Peace nd love​

Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens​

 

what im saying is that i dont believe a creator is neccesary for the creation of an organized body or anything like that. Isn't it possible that the human body and what you see was a culmination of millions of years of something like evolution? there are many other ways the world could have come to be other than the existence of a creator. The existence of a creator is possible, but it is simply one that i think is less probable.

 

Just a thought~
maybe what you're thinking of as a "Creator"
is a bit too restrictive.

You can't always necessarily classify things the way you'd like,
God least of all...

Grouve on

 

Smurfing-Nibbles
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Myself, no not at all, it is impossible, I don't know if you read my entire thread and saw the presentation,
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Give me a logic one.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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i believe in the process of evolution and natural selection personally and im not saying that the existence of a god is entirely impossible, just one i dont agree with. your arguments and all them make sense im just giving my thoughts and opinion on the matter

 

Smurfing-Nibbles
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Yep, you are more than welcome; we are in hipforums, freedom of speech, opinions, expressions etc, and I like to listen to your opinions and thoughts, thank you very much for sharing,
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But why you don't agree with the existence of God? (I am just asking) is it because it isn't convincing or you aren't sure about it or just because you don't want to or etc ?
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!
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I just dont think the presence of a god is neccesary at all and ive always just been skeptical of its existence. i have no reason to believe in a god

 

Smurfing-Nibbles

What about searching more, i.e. to have a firm belief whether God is existed or not?
what if there is a God and he wants you to believe in him? what if there is an eternal life after death (hell, Paradise)? or maybe there is God and he doesn't want anything from the creatures, why did he created us? what's the goal? etc try to find out the truth, think a lot, such things deserve it
my deepest sincere best wishes

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

I have thought alot about this kind of thing despite my age and i think by this point, the difference between us is we believe different sides of the same argument. this argument being that you believe in a god, and i just dont.

 

Smurfing-Nibbles


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Really it doesn't matter how old you are, this is the human being intact nature, even the child ask his mum how did I come to life, my advice keep thinking till you have a confirmed belief, no matter what this belief is as long as you have proofs and a logical belief, may Allah bless you dude ​

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Dear dude, regardless of the difference between us, the point is the truth is one, what is it? We must have a confirmed, evident, logical belief which is supported with evidences, a belief which we can prove it, a confirmed belief and there is no room for any doubts at all, that's it dear dude ​

John 8.32: And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.(Jesus the Christ the Messiah pbuh)​

My deepest sincere best wishes​

Peace and love​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

Note: Silly, Irrelevant, and the like, responses, posts, comments will be ignored (it depends on my mood and time if I won't ignore them), taking off the topic is losers' style, ask yourself: will you write such response if the writer wasn't a Muslim!​

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