How Much Of The U.s. Constitution Have You Read?

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  1. ProudAtheist32490

    ProudAtheist32490 Member

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    How much of the U.S. Constitution have you read and can remember?
     
  2. sunfighter

    sunfighter Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    It doesn't take very long to read. There's no need to memorize it. I have a copy with me at all times, in the form of an app called "Constitution". I like to pull it out when some yahoo tries to tell me that the Second Amendment says that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Then I show them that that is only half of the sentence.
     
  3. autophobe2e

    autophobe2e Senior Member

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    more than I have of magna carta, that's for sure.
     
  4. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    i have no idea. i've probably read most of it at one point or another. i don't particularly remember any of it.
     
  5. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    It was required reading back in elementary school but that was 30 years ago


    Hotwater
     
  6. Karen_J

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  7. Meliai

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    I read it in school and remember most of it, but i'm always getting the amendment numbers mixed up
     
  8. Bud D

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    I don't remember all of it but I'm certain most if not all as been legislated to be obsolete.

    There is no privacy. I can't have weapons. Not allowed to pursue happiness. Can't own property. Somewhat allowed to live however stifled that may be. I'm not sure what other freedoms they used to claim we had, but I'm sure those don't exist for everybody anymore.......just a few.
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I have lots of privacy, police can't enter my house without a warrant, I haven't had to house any military personal lately, my medical records have very limited access, etc.

    Why can't you have weapons or property?
     
  10. Bud D

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    Cops can knock on your door, you open and answer and they can enter. They can make up all sorts of reasons to enter such as saying they smell weed or you said you were alone and heard a noise.

    Your medical records can be accessed for intelligence agencies, protection of foreign leaders and domestic leaders, tons of reasons. I received a letter saying just that.

    You may have to house military some day. If there is a war in your area you will likely leave before that, if you can.

    I can't have weapons due to disability, both felony and medical. Property takes money, can't get a job that actually pays something like profit. Sure I have clothes and a tv, if that's property but it can all be easily taken from me. Even land can be taken at or below market value. Perhaps Uncle Sam wants a brand new shiny ICBM silo or a signal intellimce instillation.
     
  11. Bud D

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    Not trying to be a dick but I have seen a thing or two. There are reasons why some jobs are called facist pigs. I knew a kid who was in college and was busted with a vial of acid. He turned states evidence and introduced a narc to many dealers. One or many of those dealers organized a so called hit man. Well Frank liked the kid that turned on people and used his intelligence history to get the hit man. Supposedly a national security armatta of suburbans pulled the hit man over in Cleveland and flew him to a place in Colorado. No arrest warrant that I know of, just another shady op.
     
  12. themnax

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    the constitution is a guideline. its legal standing has been suspended by multiple presidents.
    every time a court decides a case, the 'real law' is the precident set by that decision.
    the constitution, all constitutions, are a nice idea.
    the define the structure of government.

    they do not gurantee or protect anything in a litteral sense.
    but they have, usually, been successful in preventing radical structural shifts in the form of governments.
    one notable exception of course was hitler's election, where enabling legislation confirred the power to make structural changes.

    constitutions can of course be ammended by due parlementry process.
    this is a good thing as often the meanings of the very words in which they're written,
    and the common understand of those words, shifts over time.

    sometimes an alarmingly short time.
    politics and media play a roll in shifting them.

    well anyway. back to the origeonal question.
    its been a while.
    its useful to know, it is the guideline for congress and the test for the judiciary,
    but it isn't holy writ.

    no structure of words can do more then the honor or lack of it
    on the part of those charged with fulfilling them
     
  13. Meliai

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    You can deny cops entrance if they dont have a warrant. Make them work for it.

    I hear ya on buying property - i screwed my credit in my late teens, early twenties and i'm trying to fix it so i can buy a house. I havent put anything on credit since so it is kind of hard to rebuild your credit when you dont want to purchase things on credit. It sucks because i've never missed or been late on a rent payment my entire adult life - but the banks want that credit score as proof that you're good at adulting. But i dont think it should be too easy to get a loan either - too many people end upside down on their mortgage that way.

    The thing is, i found out recently America is pretty unique in the way we look at private property. Did you know Europe has right to roam laws where if someone owns acres of land they can't legally prevent someone from walking through it. Whereas i once trespassed and camped on someone's land with some friends and the owner actually chased us out with a shotgun lol. That and the whole land owning class mentality from the 1700s and 1800s I think gave Americans a certain sense of entitlement towards owning property - but the constitution says nothing about guaranteeing private property for all

    As far as not owning a gun as a felon, i suppose it depends on the felony. I think some felons are unfairly punished after prison.
     
  14. Bud D

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    I don't think we can deny every policing situation where they want in. When I was arrested for arson they asked me if they could enter my apartment. I said "did you see me lock it". It was the first thing I did when I walked out and admitted to what I had done. I thought I could talk with the people that it was directed towards. But they are cowards and just snoop and poop.

    It takes some skill to handle police in situations. They can get awfully fired up. I don't really want to imagine situations as it's not pleasant.

    I'm fine with not having a firearm. It's just that if I say won the lotto and moved to somewhere with dangerous wildlife I would feel better with protection. If there is ever a war in Ohio, I'm sure there will be plenty of weapons laying around dead people. But even in a war sometimes having a weapon is all that worse, say at a checkpoint or something.

    It's also ridiculously easy to lawmen to get warrants. There really is an us verses them mentality among people who work in law.
     
  15. I'minmyunderwear

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    you should probably just get a credit card and only use it on things you would already buy anyway. i never wanted one either, but i finally gave in a got one a few months ago and my credit score has already jumped 50 points.

    it hasn't changed anything for me; i just use it for the things that i used to use my debit card for, and then i pay off the balance as soon as the bill comes each month. so it actually has the added bonus of keeping my checking balance higher on average, which leaves me eligible for some bonuses from the bank.
     
  16. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    LOL.
    so I know a guy who knows a guy who is friends with the sister in law of a guy.........................

    Very credible source you got there.

    and if you can't own guns due to felony conviction and disability, well I'm sure most would agree that is very, very good thing.
     
  17. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    We still have a Constitution??
     
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  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The Fourth Amendment:
    As with all of the Constitution this needs to be interpreted. Originally a search was an intrusion on "persons, houses, papers, and effects".
    Olmstead v. United States (1928) declared this applied only to physical intrusions, not things such as wiretaps.
    Silverman v. United States (1961) declared the fourth, "at the very core stands the right of a man to retreat into his own home and there be free from unreasonable governmental intrusion."[38]
    Katz v. United States (1967). Outlawed wiretaps.
    Smith v. Maryland (1979) gave certain situations when the Fourth was applicable:
    1. a person "has exhibited an actual (subjective) expectation of privacy"; and
    2. society is prepared to recognize that this expectation is (objectively) reasonable.
    United States v. Jones (2012) and Florida v. Jardines (2013) rulede agaisnt GPS devices being placed on cars and drug dogs being used outside of a closed homeowner's door.

    And there are a few others.

    Health records are protected to a degree. Health care providers and their contract fillers must keep your records private. Life insurers, employers, workman's comp, schools, child protection, do not. In addition doctors must report public health issues (such as Typhoid Mary), and gunshot wounds.

    As far as quartering the military during peace, that has never happened in the U.S to my knowledge.

    You can't have weapons for medical and criminal reasons, I see nothing wrong with that.
    Property takes money, yes.

    I can't see why you blame the government for all this.
     
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  19. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The fact is, the government does what it wants and has no regard for what's lawful and what isn't.. The Constitution is being violated all the time. If the people are ignorant and don't know how to uphold their rights, then what good is the Constitution anyway? The fact is the people have allowed all this unconstitutional stuff to happen, so I agree the government can not be solely to blame.
     
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