How do you deal with the 'omg im the new messiah must tell world' feeling

So, I'm a person who enjoys to talk, a bit. Love spiritual matters, philosophy and all that. Think theres currently something 'wrong', looking for the 'fix'. I think thats pretty typical of alot of psychadellic explorers, no? Then most troubling, I can still articulate thought very well when quite 'out there', which makes me think, I should?

Well anyways. You know the feeling I'm talking about? The, OMG IVE GOT IT ALL, TIME TO TELL THE WORLD. Feeling. I tried LSD for the first time like a month ago. It was pure concentrated awesome. So awesome that I got that feeling like only a couple hours into. Went through some insane experiences, which I could only describe as a projection-less samadhi. Then I could not sleep because I would 'lose it' and I literally spent like the next 6 hours trying to write down and piece together what I was calling 'my new religion'. This was 6 hours following an already 12 hour trip. So I was quite tired and feeling very uneasy by the end. It was not a bad trip by any means . The only worrisome feeling for the entire thing was that "I wont fall alseep because I must write it down before lose -it-". I was actually quite enjoying trying to write some new spiritual stuff and draw some of it. Just worried, I would never fall asleep until I like got it all out.

Now, looking back to these writings and these drawings I did, they are quite awesome to me and they do hold quite a bit of significance to me, and maybe some others? I dunno. But certainly, the feeling of being that 'messiah' or 'martyr' is not one I like very much. Largely because I think everyone needs to develop it themselves, we don't need another Christ of Buddha. I'd much rather get that notion out of my head. I think it's a concept thats left over from my fairly christian upbringing, 'when you get it, bring it back'. Well personally I think many people in the 60's 'got it', just no one wanted to listen. Were no longer waiting till someone 'gets it'. Were just waiting till the rest of society fails enough to pay attention to it.

So I'm sure all of you went through that feeling. Then perhaps some frantic feelings of 'omg must transcribe for the rest of the world'. So I am just wondering, what do you do to calm yourself down in that state. Eventually I got to sleep by just thinking 'if its so damn important itll come back'. But it's a frantic state I'd rather all around avoid my next go with LSD. I'd much rather just enjoy myself and my feelings, rather than thinking I've found something so awesome I need to tell everyone.

Since that I've made a point of trying not to say anything about spiritual of philosophical issues to anyone that doesn't specifically ask me about them. So I can ween the ego-state of 'must tell I know', out of myself. Also I've been sort of re-arranging my perception of the psychadellic experience to suit more what Terence McKenna said about their purpose. "When we go into this psychadellic sea, we are looking for mid-sized fish, not one so big that if you pull it on your ship it'll sink".

Mckenna also said he stayed up for a whole entire week in his south american ventures once, after an insane trip of psilocybin and DMT transcribing 'what the mushroom was telling me'. Hopefully I won't have to go through something of that level on my travels.

So I'm just curious, the guys that have been quite out there and probably encountered much more profound and potentially 'societal changing' thing than myself. What exactly is your philosophy and method of going through that?

 

You could always publish your learnings, but why not let others see for them selves, other wise your knowledge will get tangled up in other peoples opinions.

Ive written a lot of theories and ideas in a notebook for personal reference, kind of a personal bible, although others may not understand or accept it.

 

Interesting question. Sounds like a good first trip to me, and i have experienced this same thing on mushrooms, lsd, and 2c-t2.

With mushrooms it seems as though the profound clarity just seems to happen and there is no underlying basis of information to support or remember when you come down.

Though lsd did reemphasize my ideas while thinking on them, I didnt have as much automatic enthusiasm about my ideas like you did or even when i did mushrooms. It came at points that i clearly remember but it was really just shedding light upon my perspective toward my field of view, rather than a societal whole.

When i took 2c-t2 though, it reemphasized both of what i remembered from mushrooms and lsd and really had the effect you speak of. To an intense degree so much i realized i couldnt show this(what you speak of) to the world because it is hopeless. So many ideas in my head showing me so many catalogues of reasoning behind the hopelessness of sharing this view. The fact this view will never be shown to everyone is just a truth ive learned to accept. I did cry during this trip, but it wasnt a bad thing, It was accepting exactly what i stated above.

 

That's all you can really do. Certain people have that
look in their eyes that tells you that they KNOW, and
you need to be around them, or read what they have
written, or somehow get what they have for yourself.
But you just cant.
The amount of profound moment's I've had with
psychedelics alone is almost too much to even bear mentally.
I've come to know all of it as God, and that we cant
touch the nature of it until we are One with Him/Her.
Just last friday I cried for nearly an hour, uncontrolably
I might add, on 8 hits of LSD because I saw Paramanhansa
Yogananda sitting under an oak tree in my living room,
literally radiating Love.
I've tried so many times in desperation to explain my
moments of being so close to God to people, for two
reasons.
1. To share that amount of pure Love that is the
glue that binds atoms. Without it, the world would
break apart lol.
2. To know that someone else is there with me, just to
know that some other person can see what I see.
But I realized that it is all worthless if you dont have the
number one main trait in your personality, and that is
honest, humbled Love for everyone as a family.
As long as you love, and are content in your mind that
you know God to at least some extent, everything else
seems to fall into place.
I've recently ran into a friend whom turned me onto
God by means of deeksha over a year ago, I havent
seem him since. But he was at my sons 2nd birthday
this past Sunday, and he gave me deeksha again. He
invited me to a transmission meditation group he belongs
to in center city Philadelphia 3 times a week. Its people
like this where I feel my ability to be spiritual recharged
and it helps keep that Oneness going.
Well this is what works for me, but I dont really have
any answer except for the Love, but its gotten to the
point where I no longer wonder at God. I feel like He
is me, and I am Him, just as we all are
(btw to clear this up, Im not talking of any deity or
nothing, I mean just that Universal Consciousness, the
untouchable essence that is closer to yourself than
your own blood, right there, right here )

 

But, is it really hopeless?
De stoned, even if one person honestly listens
to you, isnt it worthwhile? Even if just YOU
experience it, doesnt it mean other have before
you and still will in the future?
Its beautiful and it grows out of love

 

You know really I can only attempt to explain this
in person, but the day I realized God fully was during
a mushroom trip, I was lying in bed with my son
asleep in my arms, and all of a sudden I was watching
Krsna and the gopis in a garden, and as that vision
faded out, I saw sub atomic-like bubbles coming out
of everything, everywhere I looked they were rising
and floating. The sound of the crickets outside blended
into the sound of my sons heartbeat, which blended into
my heartbeat, which blended into the humming electronic
stuff in the house, and I realized there is only One sound,
and we manipulate an eternal rythym of the cosmos, the
background and lifesource of the Cosmic Dream we are in,
and it is OOOOMMMMMMMM
Om shanti, shanti, shanti....Om. -

 

It's interesting you say that about Deeksha. I never heard of it before. But I just looked it up on google, 'a blessing of oneness'. Which you could sum up to, an extreme act of oneness between two individuals, no? Or rather a transferring of it from one to another.

But none the less, I interpret that as a concious act of initiating oneness among humans. Which is an idea I actually got on acid.

From current studies in behavoural neurology they've found that the words someone uses literally wire the synpases of the brain differently. I'd imagine that notion is quite familiar to you all, but there is actually some scientific groundwork for it now. But I sort of see it as, everything comes in energy from the one -source- then how you've wired your brain, that energy gets routed through you to create all these different feelings, acts, moods even hallucinations good and bad in some. Inherently it literally all has to do with the metaphor you apply to such things. As in, every one is seeing and experiencing the same thing, we just all interpret it differently, even the cells of our body do this and that is what we call 'us'.

Now within that context, if you guys are familiar with Robert Anton Wilson. He devised E-Prime, english prime. Basically a re-tooling of the english language to take into account the principles of quantum theory, that everything is inherently 'statistical' a 'maybe', that it's not concrete until you observe it and essentially want it to be. The thing about this is, you may think 'ok so a new langauge?'. Well take into account that the words, the metaphors, one uses quite literally wire the brain differently to completely control all perception of reality, the world and them. Designing a language to wire the synapses to more accurately percieve the world, is not just a new 'language', it is quite literally a method of brain change, a radical form of meta-re-programming. Which is exactly what Robert Anton Wilson was trying to do with E-Prime. Read about it more here http://www.rawilson.com/quantum.html

But basically I got one idea on acid that intrigued me beyond measure. And that is extrapolating Anton Wilsons' theory and language of E-Prime. Only to create, E-One, english one. That instead of just re-tooling english to take into account truth of quantum theory. Perhaps it could be further retooled so that everything you say inherently presents we are one concious, it may perhaps rewire our synapses to connect to the -source- so that we may actually function as one concious. Or atleast let us better comprehend how we could? Or how we should?

Because Anton Wilson also did a very interesting expiriment where he went to elementary schools in the west trying explain Quantum Theory and also to elementary schools of the east trying to explain the same. He said that the children of the east almost instantly comprehend Quantum Theory quite accurately, while students of the west had incredibly diffuculty getting it. He theorized it's because of the Judeo-Christian upbringing of the west, the brain is wired for comprehending in -isness-, the statistical quantum nature is too diffucult to comprehehd. However children raised in buddhist or taoist societies, hopefully it goes without saying, the statistical 'maybeness' of perception is heavily engrained in the language. Imagine if more than just -maybeness- was engrained in language, what if -oneness- was engrained the language.

This brings up in relation to deeksha because I was not aware another spirituality had thus far developed such a strong metaphor of 'oneness'. I include all spells, magick, blessings and whatnot under the label /metaphor/ for -it-. A metaphor of -one- is a very good metaphor for -it-, as deeksha shows. But what if such a metaphor could be deployed on a mass scale? Certainly lingo and slang spreads like wildfire once it takes hold properly.

How to do that? Hm... But eh... I'm doing that thing again.

 

You make a great point relayer. The thing is sure a few make an excellent difference and i dont discourage that at all. I do try to share it even though this realization of hopelessness is there.

I just think as a whole, think about what civilization would be capable of if it happened. If we were all able to use psychedelics to advance our society. Looking at what we currently are doing versus imagining the possibilities is a very stark difference which i cant help but feel very sad about. Mostly because there is so little difference in the whole, as a planet of one species with a special gift. Though I still try to be different and change peoples perspectives on ideas daily.


ry- that first paragraph you posted before me is exactly something i totally agree with. ive never heard of the guy you mention or his tests though it sounds interesting
editr rather the first explanation u put out, the 3rd one i mean

 

The deeksha is like a blast of energy, and like you said,
its main function is to actually transform the brain
(wether it really does this science is not yet ready to
prove or disprove) to make you more 'receptive' to
to not only the unfolding of Cosmic Oness into your
own consciousness, but to be able to pick up on what
is actually massive waves of energy that are being
bounced off of everything, obviously because not
everyone is able to even comprehend it's existance.
What is very interesting though, is the transmission
meditation I brought up, and though I havent gone
yet, my dear friend did explain some of it to me, and
it is the idea that these massive waves of energy
are constantly being bombarded into us, and the
goal of the group meditation sessions is to have us
take it in, aligned properly, not for personal, typical
meditation/yoga benefit, but for the purpose of
serving humanity as a whole, to literally pull the
energy within and go spread it without, thus moving
everyone into a state of harmony.
I will definitley give more details when I experience
this myself, but Im sure it will be wonderful.
The deeksha is no joke by the way, I can NOT explain
how I went from a philosophical atheist to a lover
of God over a very short period of time, and it was
not through my own means. It just happened, and
when I realized that it was through love and the
humble desire to spread love that my friend gave me
deeksha and actually 'turned me on', my heart felt
so empathatic and filled with energy that I thought
I was going to burst. Instead, I cried

 

If science has proved the energy inherently associated with the vibration of sound waves (words) can synaptically re-wire a brain, as I was talking about before. Then certainly a concentrated transmission of freeform energy can do the same. At the core, it's the same thing, prana. Science could most certainly provide a evidenced basis of it, if it was willing to pursue it.

However if you wanted to step up the crazy a notch, no offense, but we are in that realm by mundane definition. You can say energy inherently exists purely in a quantum level of existance. Something currently, largely unscannable by scientific means. So such expiriments may not instantly pick up an effect of deeksha as it may only resonate in the pure energy, quantum level, on transmission. But perhaps if the test subject went back each day for a week they would start to see some new activity in the brain as the quantum change worked its way up through the atomic, to molecular, to synaptic level.

But how most scientists seem quite afraid to open their mind up to the whole, they also seem quite afraid to open science up to the whole. They seem to only evidence things that will further ground them in ego. However, the current direction of quantum theory and evidence may unwillingly unroot that.

 

Well when I see how the scientific community has
accepted the notion of string theory, I tend to be
a little broken hearted to say the least lol.
Though I know the theory is fumbling for dimensions
in order to make it work, they dont need to. What
they are lacking is understanding of the concept
we are talking about. And psychedelics are most
definitley a way to get there.
The idea that we are, at the core of the physical
core, vibration, has been explained by rishis for
thousands of years. This is not anything new.
But who is conducting this massive cosmic orchestra
to vibrate, in such a detailed manner that the mind
tends to fold in on itself trying to wrap around the
unfathomable? Really, who?
It is not a manner of the beginning of time, wether
creation is a reality, because if you understand the
concept of vibration, you see that it surely has
a beginning, as well as a definite end.
But what told the strings to dance?
At the subatomic level, what are the strings,
as in, what makes them up? Because it doesnt end
there, this theory is barely scrathing the surface
of the depth of existance.
Light creates the strings, Light and energy, which
followed Sound, Om.
Methaphorical? Maybe. But when you FEEL it, you
dont need science to explain it. You just Know.
And what happens when we get down past the
level of initial vibration? How much smaller can you
really get? I feel that eventually, you come out
on the other side and start getting bigger.
Every miniscule particle of dust has the entire
history, power, and love of the creation of our
existance. There is no need to look further than
within our own minds, becase we are all tapping
into the same force that powers our existance.

 

Begining and end? I always saw it as recursively looping. That reality is a fractal manifestation, whereas God, the life force, is the recursive loop continually repeating to manifest the layers of reality. Like the mandelbrot fractal in a sense. Life force is the formula, the beautiful patterns are the manifestation known as reality by most. And although each manifestation of reality may be infinitely distanced apart, each manifestation may be the end of completely seperated chains. It does all form from the same formula and that formula is the same no matter where. The constantly churning life force, the force is the formula for life. Anyone can realize it, no matter where or what and no matter how different that manifestation, or so far, chains of manifestations (heredity and culture) are.

This really does quite set my mind off about the relation between the manifestion and the formula and where each one actually resides. Currently I suppose, in scientific terminology, the formula is the nature of quantum particles, or even sub-quantum if need be. Particles which exist in all manifestations (trees, people, animals, earth) just the same. Once you go down small enough, there is only one particle. It is the nature of that particle we call the 'life force'.

However I do get the notion that science will never be able to get a hint at this particle. That only through subjective feeling can one percieve it. Om is in essence, yes, a metaphor. It's a metaphor to feeling, which feeling is always real. But in all actuality, science is also a metaphor to feeling. Which in all honesty I find spiritual metaphor to be far better than scientific metaphor. I mean, if I learn to fully comprehend and use a metaphor, I want it to cast me to samadhi and higher levels of conciousness. Not entail me to more accurately write a scientific document to enforce ego.

But within that, you could suppose, so science may never dig deep enough, may never devise a microscope to see the one single particle that creates all. So they never will get there? But I think back to the first 4 great mathmeticians that tried to work out the mathmetics of 'infinite'. There was a documetary about it called Dangerous Knowledge. All 4 of the mathemaiticians went crazy, by western definition, then commit suicide. Which I think represents a process of scientific thought. That eventually, there metaphor, there scientific theory gets so accurate to some -it-. That it then begins to have more effect than just word on paper. It gets in your head. It requires essentially, a change of perception, a change of synaptic wiring to further comprehend it. Just as the concept of infinite did to thos early mathemeticians. It may then be plausible to suppose that. Quantum theory and evidence will merely reach a point that they will basically cast out a piece of paper that will basically be, a prayer. A translation of 'Om' that the western mind can comprehend, and then will invariably, create that transfer of energy. Raising their concious to percieve -it- subjectively. Rendering further developments of the microscope unnecessary.

Although you could scoul that science took so long to devise there 'Om', but they certainly made alot of cool stuff along the way. Personally I think rationality will soon dissapear and computers will remain as a an artefact of something once known as 'rationality' a now foreign concept in a world of pure feeling and being.

of course though... even all that is just metaphor

 

Very well put Rygoody!
If only I had the moments to properly respond lol.
Maybe later tonight.
But I wanted to point out that my using the words
beginning and end were referring to the cycle of
this universe. Yes, I admit it, at heart I believe in
at least the concept of Brhama and that eventually
God will order it to end, of course only to be reborn
anew, which ties in with the circle concept you
suggest fairly well, at least in my mind.
But how long will this cycle of birth and destruction
go on? Or, is it really, even going on?
The concept of duality seems to only exist as a
desireless desire of God to become the many. The
macrocosm to become the microcosm. Good vs. Evil,
Light and darkness, these are all simply manifestations
of God's mindstuff, a sort of projection like that of a
movie theater show.
We sit in a theater, our world, and watch life as it
happens against the screen, the light from the projector
displays the coded information which comes to life on
the backdrop, and the projector is God.
Life is displayed against the backdrop of the ether, and
some of us can stop and say "Woah dude, look up at
the light!"

Also your idea of how the west through science envisioned
its own Om is something I've also contemplated, and I
wholeheartedly agree with you.
We are all searching for the meaning of the existance of
dualistic Nature, and we all have our own ways of
touching the heart.
But it is the heart that matters, in the end only Love will
remain.

 

When will the cycle end? 2012... maybe
The mayan calendar denoted 4 catastrophes to in essence 'reset'
One was by animal, one was by flood, the other I cant remember. But the last was essentially by psychological process as I remember interpretting it. I'd have to look it up again to get the exact metaphors they used.

But if you go off my mandelbrot fractal metaphor for the nature of the universe. Then even though the cycle is inherently repeating. It is still building. The manifestation (pretty patterns), the reality, the earth, isn't repeating. Merely the life force, the formula underneath it is repeating, to grow it. What this insinuates to me is that. If there was at one point a flood, a comet, some great physical disaster to kill all life. That was an old method of resetting the cycle, an old method of cleansing and it was only needed that one time. I currently feel that the current physical manifestation is quite set in stone, the next catastrophe to occur will be as how I was interpretting the mayan calender, psychological resetting. A comet is going to be dropped on the ego, the psyche flooded out, but physically, we'll all be the same.

What is that? The quantum representation of 'Om' finally coming out? Or maybe some LSD nut will get facetious with a couple extra gallons and dose half the world? Maybe MAPS will find some induspitable evidence of the benefits of mushrooms and they go into play for regularly treating depressed people, or many psychological problems. Or maybe the hippie movement will get rolling again and not stop this time? Or maybe the massive network of mycellium under the earth will go through a cycle of some sort and release a massive amount of airborne, psilocybin containing, spores, thus making the air hallucinogenic and we get to permenantly trip till the end of time. Oh that'd be fun. Or maybe someone will develop a gun that shoots little drops of LSD and employs it in World War 3, inherently turning the war into a massive orgy of love....

I dunno. But it appears to me many things are surfacing in the physical that could very well cause the massive 'psychological shift' that many of the recent psychadellic philosopher's supposed. I do think 2012 will be the coming together of 'something', I also believe that what ever that 'something is', the vast majority will not notice it. Many will probably argue that it was just 'always like this'. But hey, I'm already arguing that.

 

Agreed again.
There is going to be a massive shift in total
consciousness, it is obviously building up
rapidly all over the world.
We may feel like puppets when we say that,
but it is wrong to think "we are making this
happen by our own free will."
Because we are not! We are simply, falling into
place as we should. Everything is unfolding
wether we like it or not, and that is the basic
foundation for such meditation groups as this
transmission meditation, the people who claim
Maitreya is ALIVE now (I know several people
who have MET him), the people giving the
blessing of the deeksha in India (my friend who
blessed me got it from someone there, I forget
his name) and all these kinds of groups doing
this kind of stuff all over the world. Why are
they doing it? They arent asking for money,
donation, popularity, nothing! They are spreading
love, pure, honest, and simple. And we can feel
that a change is coming.
And it will most definitley be psychological, as
well as spiritual.
The word God evokes many horrible images in
the minds of those who were abused by false
dogmatic preaching and evil 'spiritual leaders'
but if we can just learn to love again, to give
oneness another chance and LOOK FOR
OURSELVES, without having to hold the hand
of a 'leader', we can become one. We have to
first go out on the ice alone and realize God's
power face to face with no way to hide (magic
mushrooms are a most wonderful way of doing
this without having to do much work), and
then can we say "I believe in God." and mean
it. -

 

well yes... we seem to be saying what each of us is already thinking

hopefully this is the aim of the world and not the just aim of psychic ward 15 specializing in 'LSD oneness psychosis', of the pecuilar subset of 'one day its gonna manifest worldwide, man'

oh those pecuilar oneness psychotes... it's always one day, one day, everything has to be one with them

although the hippies seemed to turn out just fine...

 

awww hell ya... im glad to see other's who have glimpsed the empyrean!

there were self proclaimed hippies who were on the ride because it was novelty. and then there were the ones who actually got it.
i think there is a chance today, for a greater awakening. these types of enlightenments
grow from communication, from sharing our ideas like this. and the internet is letting us do this over greater distances than ever before. communication
is one of the most powerful forms of energy.

now i invite you all to check out http://www.dedroidify.com,
if you still have questions to be answered.

 

Nice site deanmono! Thank you very much for sharing

And rygoody, you may be right lol But if you are, at
least it was one hell of a trip

 

from that site:
[size=-1][size=-2][size=-1]"Religion is a defense against the experience of God."
[size=-2]Carl Gustav Jung

[/size][/size][/size][/size] oh thats just too perfect

 

that site is a great tool for teaching truth. use it wisely!

show the world the truth. thats how you can change the shit were in.
show your friends, family and strangers. it's time for people to wake up!