How did the neocons "lose" with Obama?

I have heard a few people rather naively state that the "right" lost when Obama won. But how? Several top neocons have expressed their pleasure with Obama's cabinet appointees. One of McCain's top foreign policy advisors, Max Boot, stated he was "gobsmacked" with Obama's warhawk appointees. And why shouldn't he be with no change in Secretary of Defense and the selection of perhaps one of the most dangerous and extremist zio-nazis in Washington, Israeli dual-citizen Rahm Emanuel? Of course we also have Mrs. KKKlinton on board as Secretary of State, who has been pretty much behind Bush and the neocons every step of the way.

I just find it rather interesting when people make it sound like the neocons "lost," when in fact the "new" faces (hardly) in Obama'a cabinet are all supporters of the Bush agenda, though they may sometimes deny with their mouths what they do with their hands.

It will sure be interesting to see what this "change" everyone was talking about leading up to the elections will be. So far it just looks like more of the same assholes.

 

First off, why do you trap people into being on the "right" if they happen t be, in your head, a "neocon"?

Clearly you have your own personal view of the "right" and the "left" and the so-called "neocons".

If a few people have, in you words, naively stated the "right" lost, why are you paying any attention to them? Clearly you feel they did not, in your opinion.

So, what do you really want to know?

To be honest, I gather you don't agree with the so-called "left" "right" dialect. So, what difference does it make who Obama surrounds himself with? I am sure Bush also had many "left" leaning advisors around him, but as always prejudices have blotted out what they may have said or done.

Even I have said that I feel Obama will be viewd in a very different light, regardless of those around him.

 

There are countless opinions of Obama. Just a sample of what I've heard:
1) He's a communist
2) He's a socialist
3) He's proof that democracy still works in America
4) He's proof that democracy is dead in America
5) He's a puppet for Isreal
6) He's a puppet for Wall Street
7) He's a New World Order figurehead

I could go on. I personally think he is putting together a government of both the left and right and forcing them to work together for once. I could be completely wrong but hey its just as good a guess as everyone else's guess.

 

Well, I use the terms "right" and "left" because they're labels the majority of people still like to cling to, though myself am neither of the two.

You asked me what I want to know, and what I want to know is how what some call "the right" lost when Obama was elected, when clearly there is very little difference between the two perceived "sides." What change will Obama bring to the table, especially in terms of foreign policy and the domestic police state agenda, when the people he surrounds himself with appear to support many of the exact same policies put forward over the past eight years by people who are supposedly at the other end of the spectrum (as they would have you believe)?

 

Only time will tell the tale of Obama. All the talks of right and left is just commentary for the side show. People will either realize that he is not the savior of america, or they wont, which is more probable.

 

That sounds all fine and dandy, but haven't the Democrats and Republicans been working together for the past eight years? I mean, the Democrats have pretty much been behind Bush every step of the way. Americans supposedly voted the Democrats into power in '06 to end the war, but what has changed? Now Congress has an even lower approval rating than Bush.

I don't believe in the appearance of a "fight" between the left and right. I believe it is all staged to provide the people the illusion that the two sides are different and that one side is working for the people, when in fact both sides are screwing the people over equally. These people will put on a show for the public, but when the cameras are off they're eating dinner and playing golf with one another. Follow the money and see where it leads. Many of these people on both sides are tied to the same corporations and financial institutions, and are members of the same NGO's, like the Council on Foreign Relations. They don't give a shit about you or your family.

So this notion of it being about bringing the two sides together is just another dog and pony show for the people who believe in the reality that's sold to them over their television sets.

 

Question for you rat. Are you saying you think Obama is selecting members for his executive branch primarily for the purpose of illusion?

 

I really don't think the neocons lost out with Obama's election. He'll do a fine job perpetuating corporate libertarian systems passed off as solutions.

 

I don't think "he" selected any of his cabinet members, but rather his handlers; the people that advise him and ultimately make the important decisions. These people were selected, for one, because they're establishment insiders who will tow the line of the central bankers and corporate overlords. But I also think the appointment of Gates and Clinton were for appeasement purposes. Gates to appease the Republican voters and Hillary to appease the Hillary supporters disillusioned by Obama. But if they want everyone to get on board with Obama and the agenda he was put into power to promote, it makes sense that they're going to want to get both sides on board by creating the appearance of bipartisanship. It makes no real difference in reality, because both sides are not very different from one another and are all frontmen for the same puppetmasters at the top

 

So, you swing both ways then?

THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE.

 

No, I see beyond the illusion of left and right.

 

Obama is going to be our Tony Blair

 

What does that mean? Not being cheeky, I just don't get the reference.

 

Tony Blair was presented to the people of the UK as the "solution" -- the "change" -- to all of England's problems, and was initially greeted by the media over there much the way Obama is here. After time the koolaid drinking began to subside and he came to be almost as hated as Bush.

 

Ah....gotcha. Thanks.

 

Who pays Blair's salary as peace envoy in the Middle East? Anyone know. He's certainly been successful at it. Is his sister-in-law still stuck in Gaza?

 

Sorry. I was just joking. It made me laugh anyway.
I don't really like grouping people up either. It is lazy.
But, you and I have to concede there are differing political leanings.
Don't take my word for it, take about 2000 years of political philosophy.
Perhaps those with various conflicting opinions are less easier to define, but, some people clearly swing one way or another and are very proud of it.

 

Didn't you and I go through this one a few months ago?

 

He did two things wrong.
Embroiled us in an unpopular war.
Stayed too long.
History will be kinder to him than his critics are now.
He did change this country for the better though, trust me.

 

History has a way of exaggerating the truth