So I have a question for anyone with a little chemistry knowledge. How pure can a MDMA synthesis be? Like for example when one makes LSD, you have an impure product, but conceivably if one took enough steps, time, and had enough skill one could have a product that was very pure, over 90 or 95. The same rules apply for MDMA I would assume. Does anyone have experience with this issue. And if you do is 85% purity a clean synthesis in your opinion, or low by standards of MDMA? IE, one should add the extra steps of better cleaning next time. I have read many places that the max "purity" is always around 85 at best due to the hcl weight of the element., but some claim to have more pure product. Acid produces a better high when pure because the molecule fits better into the human brain in pure form. Is MDMA also like this? I see allot of people myself included very satisfied with MDMA that is clearly at least a bit inpure due to it's color and the nature of clandestine chemistry.
er, the physics of molecules and compounds isn't like the physics of macroscopic things. A molecule of meth, for example, has 10 carbon atoms, 15 hydrogen's, and 1 nitrogen in a specific arrangement. You CAN'T have an impure meth molecule. No such thing. If you change the arrangement, you have a different molecule. If you change the numbers, you have a different molecule. I guess you could say vanilla ice cream is impure meth cause the arrangement and numbers of the molecule are different, but that is just plain silly. You were also confused with how LSD scrambles neurotransmitter pathways with how meth fits in your brain's dopamine uptake cells, blocking them. I think you are kinda saying that if the molecule had a different shape it wouldn't work. Duh. It's also not a LSD or MDMA or meth molecule anymore. It is a different molecule. Plus you are confusing yield with purity, 95% pure means 95 out of 100 molecules are the right ones you want, not that 100 of 100 molecules have 2 extra Nitrogens. Different arrangement different molecule. God, its had to explain even if you just don't get it. Seriously, maybe these forums aren't for you. But I still luv ya
That's not really the comparison I was trying to make, but like I said I am not chemist so probably not using the proper terminology. So it's probably hard to answer when you know about the topic. My question was more related to the 85% pure number people always throw around with MDMA, and how many claim that is as pure as it can be. But I went to the source and asked a chemist, he made it a little more clear. MDMA can be very pure, and the 85% means nothing, at least now how I was thinking.
Ok, I think its still a yield thing. 85 percent pure should mean 85 out of 100 molecules are mdma. But also the more molecules you have of something, the stronger the effect. 85 molecules of mdma can effect (or is it affect?) 85 synapses. 100 can a/effect 100. 100 synapses pumping out a serotonin storm hits you harder that just 85 synapses. But that's too simplified, say it takes 100 mdma molecules to bump into and a/effect 1 synapse, which is more to real life. So 300 mdma's do their deed to 3 synapses. Now, in a gram of shit at a certain purity, you have those 300 molecules. But more pure shit, say 600 molecules per gram, is better. heh. You get a bigger bang. That's why 350 mg oxys are better than 100mg. Same concept, more molecules, more things affected. Does this make any more since? I'm not trying to dog on ya, its just kinda hard to explain the concept.
Here is a nice explanation for the topic for anyone interested. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/623072-84-mdma The number refers to the proportion of the sample constituted by MDMA molecules. In MDMA HCl, there is one molecule of HCl (with a relative mass of 36.5) for every molecule of MDMA (with a relative mass of 193.25), and so if the salt is totally pure, 84% of it is MDMA.
HAHA, looked at the link, 3 LONG ass pages of posts that all say the same exact thing! God, I thought 3 or 4 posts was bad. 3 pages! heh btw... when I read the msg on your sig pic, I for sure thought she was going to say she ate her poo.. heh. I lived in the bay area 10 years, and did so much acid from the folks in golden gate park in haight - ashbury, that from experience I thought - wait. I think ive said too much already. nevermind.
Any given LSD trip can manifest unique somatic effects, it is complex enough that you can take it 15 times and have 15 different side effect profiles (within reason). You may also be experiencing effects from left over precursors, other chemicals, hell maybe you are slightly allergic to the ink on the blotter. Maybe that burrito you had for lunch is just not doing your stomach justice, and now you are on Acid, and those body feelings are magnified and mutated in ways that make you think "this is dirty acid". But it has nothing to do with "fitting in to your brain properly" at all. LSD is LSD. MDMA can be 100% pure. For example, if I have 1g of MDMA HCL, it is conceivable that I could have a 100% pure gram of MDMA HCL. What that 100% pure gram would consist of, is about 86% (completely pure) MDMA and 14% (completely pure) HCL. I wouldn't say that is an "86% pure batch", because that somehow implies that there is 14% of something that shouldn't be there, like a cut, or a filler, or maybe amphetamine or something, when in reality it is simply the salt form of the molecule we prefer for easy metabolism, so we tend to produce MDMA HCL. Hope that clears it up.
peeps have this misconception that when u make a substance, you could do something wrong that would result in malformed molecules but still be the same substance, only an 'impure' one. they don't realize that there is no such thing as a malformed molecule - they reason for example, if you synthesize MA, and messed up and didn't get it right, say ,not closing the ring or a missing OH, that the resulting malformed molecule would still be MA, just not as strong . the truth is that its not like that - these are molecules, folks, the smallest units. ANYTHING different here and you get a whole diff substance altogether. say you have just 1 H not in the right place - you get something that is nothing like MA at all. you get like pistachio ice cream or something else. it is NOT an impure MA molecule, it is a pure pistachio ice cream one. they don't think about it on a molecular level, just a macro one; they think like this - a Honda coming off the line without a door, for example is still a Honda, just an 'impure' one. macro and micro are two different beasts. I don't know how to explain this, its a conceptual error. the strength at which something gaks you is ONLY determined by the amount of that substance u take in. basically. if u snorf one line of something, and only feel half as gakked as normal, that means there was 1/2 as much of it in the line you vacummed up your nose. the rest was something else. you can add cut to anything and have it look like the same sub. but its not. purity has several very similar but diff meanings, its a word problem too.
