In this world we know know so much about space and the earth and such. and in this knowledge we've never found heaven even though we've been into space, we've never found hell even though we've dug miles into the earth. How do we know if there's truly god, heaven or hell... We don't we never will have hard proof. The bible is a great example of religion itself. However the bible was not written by god, it was written by man thousands of years ago based on either stories or a few mens wild imaginations, which i think turned into somewhat of a cult and now we have christianity and it's many forms (catholisism, ect). I am not a believer in god and more organized religions because they are somewhat fachist religions. Like a Cardnal in a church can get away with murder, a preist can get away with molesting an innocent child but they can still make it to heaven while (according to the bible) a gay man would be sent to hell for being biologically attracted to other men. it makes no sense, religion makes no sense. How can you follow rules that hold such injustice. In christianity they live to die, but as science has proved you rot in the ground, good job. And about Adam&Eve Vs. Evolution. How can two random people be placed on earth and we have different races and eye colours, ect so breeding would be against god because it would be incest so we'd all go to hell anyways (notice how half the bible IS IN FACT INCEST!) People are always evolving even until this day so don't try to tell me adam and eve. Thanks for reading. Peace
But all the other religious people I know take it seriously as well, and it seems if they can take offence to the way I live, I can challenge beliefs and force them to re-evaulate the ways they choose to live by. I don't mean to be offencive, I just got a little carried away I guess lol.
No problem! I get pretty pissed off at fundies, too, but I'm more of a thinking Christian than a blind-faith Christian. Oh, I have faith, sure, but in shit that makes sense to me... Guess that doesn't make me much better, but at least I don't run around telling people how to live like some people. In my opinion, religion is personal. I don't give my interpretation of specifics unless I am asked (or I'm pissed, lol).
I'm a Christian but I don't take the Bible as literally as you and your friends do. Lots of Christians don't. You just got in with a bunch of fundies. There are lots of things that have never been seen, but smart people believe in. Has anybody ever seen, felt, touched or otherwise encountered a Black Hole outside of a StarTrek movie? What about those vibrating superstrings that supposedly make up all matter and account for all the fundamental forces of physics. Has anybody ever seen one? Do you think such things exists? Yet many respectable scientists believe in them. We don't have "hard proof" but so far they work theoretically in tying a lot of things together. As for heaven and hell, I think we can be confident that if they exist they aren't located where people traditionally thought they were. I think of both of them as states of mind--real potentials that are latent as tendencies in the world we know. Heaven is what we'd have if everybody did the right thing. Hell is what we'd have if everybody did the opposite. Hell is a bad attitude. [/quote] What makes no sense is your misinterpretation of it. Who says that cardinals can get away with murder or priests can get away with molesting kids? Not the Christian doctrine. If anything, clerics will probably be held more accountable than ordinary folks for such transgressions, since they certainly should know better, are acting like hypocrites and bringing religion into disrepute, as shown by your post. In Dante's Inferno, Popes were depicted as suffering in hell along with other folks. As for a gay man being sent there for being biologically attracted to guys, its not the attraction but the actions that are a potential problem for conservative Christians. I've argued on the Christian forum that a blanket taboo on even the conduct needs to be reconsidered. I don't think it was ever in question that our bodies rot in the ground. The only question is whether they'll come back in non-ripe condition, and whether a soul has gone on to a different place. Science doesn't have much to say on those subjects, although I share your skepticism. According to Darwin's theory, I guess two random people could evolve into different races by a process of adaptation to different environments. For example, people close to the equator evolved dark skins to screen out ultraviolet light and those far from the equator evolved light skins to let more light in. Of course it would take a hell of a long time, but other factors like genetic drift from isolation of the populations would aid the process. I don't think breeding would be against God's law. In fact, He commanded us to be fruitful and multiply. The Incest taboo became operative with the laws of Moses much later in history after stable populations had formed. I think the "Adam and Eve" story is a metaphor describing basic truths about the human condition, not a scientific account of how we all came to be. You're welcome. Thanks for thinking, questioning, and sharing. Peace to you, too.
yep, pretty much my thoughts on it as well . you can learn a lot of good thru reading the bible, regardless of what religion (if any at all) you decide you want to be part of.
Honestly the bible is just too fake for me to take anything from, I've read a lot of it and I just can't take it for real, my apologies.
