How can there not be a god?

In Buddhism there is no god.I ask how is this possible?The FAQ thread says that Buddhism believes that the world evoles and remakes it self and has allways exsited.How can this be?There must be some one to make that world and the void which it is in.Is Busshism kind of Agnostic except you appliy The Teachings of Buddha to your life?It is said that the Hindu gods had a part in Buddha's life....So are Buddhists also Hindu?It is said that Buddha has a god form.So is Buddha the God of Buddhism?I cant see how there can be a universe without a god.

 

How can there not be a god? Well, how can there be a god? You say someone must have created this, but where did they come from?

 

I gess somthin WITH A MIND had to allways exsist.I kind of compare god with the Tao except with a mind.

 

But why must something have always existed? For all we know everything could have just started existing this instance, purely randomly.

 

to complex to be random.Look at it all I mean like its all breath taking and cool like some actual thought was put into making it.

 

it's been a while since i've studied this.. so i may be a little off, so anybody correct me if i'm wrong.

buddha is not a god.. just a human who made it to nirvana before death, in his lifetime. he discovered how to do it and showed others how to. in hinduism the gods are believed to basically be human-like, just with powers, not creators of the universe (i'm pretty sure) ugh i should look this up and edit anything i messed up...

okay, well, hindus also believe in acheiving nirvana, but there's a lot of stuff with karma and what you'll be reincarnated as, and how long you'll keep coming back to this earth before you reach nirvana. buddha said you can achieve nirvana now, it's not necessary to be reincarnated into nirvana... if that makes sense. nirvana being the highest realm of consciousness, sort of like heaven too... yeah need to refresh my memory.

 

I've neevr understood that statement.. How can something be too complex to be random? Seems like to me like the more complex it is, the less likely it is to have been created, and in complete randomness or chaos or whatnot, wouldn't everything exist? Like infinity.. I guess I just don't get the connection between complexity and randomness.

 

I throw a blot of paint on the wall thats random.

I paint a tree with tiny details paying careful attention to get it just right. That is complex and not random.

 

yeah but haven't you ever known ppl to look at a piece of artwork (for example) or writing, or poetry, and read waaaay too much into it? ppl have different interpretations of things.. that blob on the wall could be seen as incredibly profound to somebody.. hehe. they can think up a whole weird complex story behind it...

 

how about if I was talking and said then out of the bule just screamed "COW!!!" that is random.


All this complex philosofical stuff I say on this forum is not random and thought out.

 

Yeah. Like for example, say you throw paint at a wall, which is more likely, a complex random pattern, or say something simple like a square?

 

What do you consider the definition of god, Art Delfo?

 

The creator of the universe who has right to worship because he made the universe and gave us and all living things life.An all powerful person.

 

the buddha never denied that the gods of hinduism existed...
he just said that even the gods are subject to karma, and even the gods will not be of aid in helping one in obtaining release from the wheel of death and rebirth...

 

All-Powerful? All-Knowing? All-Good? All-Seeing? etc etc...a personal "father", I suppose?

Tell me if I am wrong about your definition.

 

no you are not worng.....

 

I thought this was a really good point. Darrellkitchen explained to me that there is a sizable difference between Buddhism as a religion and Buddhism as a philosophy.

The Buddha taught each person he met about what Is depending on what lessons they needed to learn. Thus, each person was taught differently.

The Buddha taught, more or less, philosophy. Philosophy about life, existance, reality, sufferring, and Oneness. Buddhism as a "religion," though I admit I know much less of this than I do of the philosphy, seems to look up to the Buddha as a sort of god, but the Buddha himself made it crystally clear that he is just a man, and that a god is not necessary to remove all suffering.

The religion is mainly for those who need a moral way to live life, but are not intelligent enough to understand the in-depth philosphy from which the religion is derived.

 

Then am I stupid for beliving in religon?I pay attention to the philosphy behind the religon.I uderstand it.The one thing I pride myself on is never having blind faith.I must have my questions answered.If one can satify his spirtual needs then he will be happy in the long run. if he just looks and religon and its philosphy and just says "Ok ill just go with it because it says what i should do to not die" he will not be as happy because he just follows blindly for no reson except maby "I like the holidays" or "its what I was raised with"

 

I did not say you were stupid, relax.

It was explained to me this way: There tends to be 3 levels of intelligence. Low, moderate, and high. Low-intelligence people need a religion and a set of convictions to adhere to for their entire life. They aren't smart enough to figure things out for themselves. Moderate-intelligence people grow up with religion, but do not blindly believe in the religion, and seek knowledge of philosophy and principals beyond the mere religion; they believe in the religion until they can understand the philosophy. High-intelligence people tend to reject the religion outright or at an early age, and believe purely in the philosophy.

These 3 levels are not black, white, and grey. They mingle. There are simpletons who do their best to study the philosophy. There are geniuses that find it necessary to believe in a deity and to have spirituality. People shift all over the place, so I do not mean to judge anyone as "low," "moderate," or "high" intelligence just because of what they believe in, because it's never that simple.

Art Delfo: You're 13, man. When I was 13, I doubt I knew half the things you did, and I would not be able to pride myself by saying that I have no blind faith. In the long run, it's not about how smart you are or what illusory "category" you fall into. It's just, what you do with what you have. And you're on the right road, in my opinion, friend. =)