How Big Brother watches your every move

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2571041/How-Big-Brother-watches-your-every-move.html

 

thanks for posting this. I have nothing to say.

 

Stop scaremongering Rat'...

 

Why should we not be afraid?

 

For one, I've been here with Pressed Rat before.
His arguement crumbles rather fast when pressed.
He really does not know what he is talking about on this...trust me.
You do not need to be afraid, this is scaremongering.

 

Gee, what a great, thought out argument. (Nevermind the fact that I did not even write the article.)

In other words, what Odon is saying is: Nope, move along, nothing to see here. Let's all go back to sleep now. Everything is fine and as it should be.

I think Odon's worldview can best be summed up by the words of one of his fellow countrymen, George Orwell, in the book 1984 (a book Odon has obviously never read):

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength


Odon is the perfect example of somebody who doesn't want the truth, no matter how obvious it may be. Perhaps in Odon's little world, ignorance truly is bliss.

 

I thought this was not a bulletin board.
You tell me in depth your feelings and further evidence to the issues involved in each and every sub-heading.
Then I might take this seriously.
I'm not going to argue with a press article from the mainstream media.
I thought you did not like them?
Weird how it is ok when it serves your purpose.

No, I'm just sick and tired of people posting things like this, then fucking off with out explaining themselves further than eyecatching headlines.

 

Nobody's holding a fucking gun to your head.

I don't even know why you visit this forum, as you never have anything of substance to contribute.

 

No, nobody is.
And I'll remind you of that when you dismiss others in a cavalier way.
Lets not get personal...I'll calm down.
If this has any substance you will be able to explain each issue and have an opinion on it, backed up with some substance.
You do a good job most of the time.
But, on this issue (UK surveilance society) you seem rather weak.

 

brainwashed

 

No, not brainwashed.
Not willing to accept something at face value.
Big difference.

Why do you have nothing to say?

 

There are laws to safeguard abuse of the information available, but that information is STILL available, just in a much greater number than ever before. And if history has taught us anything, it is this: With new 'advancements' comes greater and more convoluted problems. Where the size of the solution is in equal proportion to the problem that it creates.

The Manhattan project was looked at by some as being a GOOD thing. We now know that was a big mistake and I feel that the increasing number of surveillance methods and identification tracking will only prove itself to be a bad move on our parts yet again.

Where there is a will to power, there is a way to gain it. There is a lot more to gain, now, because there is a lot more information being tracked down and collected - That is very worrying. Because we can see throughout history how information has been used to abuse the sovereignty and well being of individuals. Be it the mafia, other crime organizations, governments, spies, scammers, et al. Now we have a greater issue to take care of because of the introduction of a greater 'solution' - Where will it end?

 

Most people have little to worry about from Big Brother watching them. They happily run the maze thats been built for them. They're kept busy with family, career, and the pursuit of material wealth.

They're not outspoken. They don't call attention to "problems". They don't question authority.

For those of us that do, everything we say and do has the potential to be used against us at a later date.

You can bet they'll come around later with enough rope to hang us all.


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many of those are optional so if you don't want to be traced, don't do them.



someone told me the GPS in the phone is still in use even if the phone is off. it sounds a little too "conspiracy-ish" to me, but I need to check.

 

I was just talking about that in another thread. Yes, they can not only GPS you with the phone turned off, but they can also listen in to your conversations.

Here is a clip from FOX News:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg

 

You're going to the Telegraph for information? While I commend the move from infowars it kinda weakens your argument using the paper which is just about as 'establishment' as it is physically possible to get.

When you think about it, shocking and annoying as it is to know you are on thousands of databases, it's not surprising either when you think about it. For a start, this forum has personal information on you, whether you entered a lot or a little, it's still stored, same with a log of your posts etc. Pretty much any other site you visit will log your IP and store cookies on your PC, there's 2 databases there. Any time you use a credit card, that's one for the bank and one for the shop. Take cash out, one for the bank. Walk past a CCTV camera, there's another. It's unavoidable, and while there is a link to Big Brother at face value, when you think about it, there isn't. The Big Brother idea has the state storing countless amount of information etc on you, this is the state storing some, one corporation storing some more, another storing some more, etc.

 

More not dealing with the truth, rat.
More dealing with the headlines.
Try dealing with the reality...

 

Finnaz,

I am sure I have explained this before, but anyway.

1) Almost all news comes from "official" sources. It is not always a matter of what the news reports or doesn't report, but how they report it and how much coverage it receives. 85% of the news provided by the televised media is mindless fluff designed to distact the viewing audience and divert their attention away from issues of importance. That's why you're more likely to hear something about one of the presidential candidates or some sex scandal than actual news. Most Westerners actually believe that Russia launched a sneak attack on Georgia, when Georgia attacked South Ossetia. That's a perfect example how the media keeps the public not thinking for themselves and instead just repeating whatever they heard the night before on the 6:00 news.

2) I don't know why you are so compelled to always mention Infowars. That's another red herring tactic used to discredit. I rarely use Infowars as a source, but most of the information on there comes from mainstream media anyway. Again, it's a matter of how it is reported and how much attention it receives. Most of the alternative media, as flawed as it may be, places emphasis on what the mainstream media does not.

3) Nothing in this article is news to me. Things are actually far worse than what this article lets on. I posted it for the people who believe there is still such a thing as privacy and that governments are bound by laws when they're not. Believe it or not, there are still some people who believe the US government is held accountable according to the Constitution.

4) As far as the source, most people (yourself included) are conditioned to only accept information from "official sources" -- in other words, controlled media owned by corporations. This is where the general public who cannot find Iraq on a map believes the truth comes from. Most people think alternative media is all lies, but that the corporate, controlled media wants the public to be informed and knowledgeable.

 

Okay, fair enough, you covered the source there. But the fact of the matter is that most of the information stored on us is by private enterprise. Sure the government has a lot, but it's private companies that record your buying, travel and browsing habits. From what you say, your political opinions seem to be anarcho-capitalistic/libertarian/minianarchistic , so you should theoretically have no issue with that (assuming as I am here that you believe in total deregulation, correct me if I'm wrong)

 

Those are such silly labels, and no, I do not subscribe to any of those. The only label I will subscribe to is individualist. I am not a member of any political party, movement, organization, etc. My views do not conform to any of the manufactured labels and cliches put out there for people to identify themselves with and conform to.

I don't understand this talk about "deregulation," either. That is simply a term that is put out there to confuse people. When you have a government that is run by transnational corporations, that government is going to work for the best interests of the corporations and not the people. That is what we have under this system. The government is merely an arm of the corporations. So when people talk about regulation and deregulation, do they even know what they're talking about? Most people who believe in this fantasy of regulation/deregulation don't even know that the government and the corporations are one and the same.