Hospitalized

Okay, I just found out one of my friends is now in the hospital for psychiatric / psychological evaluation because he was being delusional at his house. When his friends told me about this, I assumed he was being overly religious while tripping but it turned out he was spouting things (involving needing exorcisms and being possessed) while sober. He is a user of LSD, 2c-E and very few other things. Whenever I spent time with him, he acted fine. He had no previous mental illness that I (or he) know of.

My theory is that he was extremely open to anything told to him while on a high dose (just about 30mg) of 2C-E* when he spent time with a friend who told him about certain spiritual things and now follows these ideas religiously while wanting people to pay attention to the ideas and/or him. I do not believe he is mentally ill, but appears delusional to those not familiar with these spiritual ideas**.

My friends told me about how he said things like "god is great" (which they thought of as weird), which may not be so bad but they really kept saying that this was "dilusional".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

Not 11, 7 or 3. All the rest are to a varying degree (from barely to a lot).

Note that this guy is a responsible user, he doesn't even smoke marijuana because of the slight lung damage the smoke itself causes.

*This happens to me on 2C-E, I am very accepting to things and may believe something untrue to be factual. Watching a movie felt like watching the news/documentary on a very high dose of 2C-E.

**The ideas aren't exactly out of the ordinary ("oneness", "metaphorical heaven and hell", "connectedness vs. disconnectedness", etc) but he brought them into his social life a lot.



Did 2c-E just open him up to spiritual ideas that he held onto after he stopped tripping or did it effect him mentally and/or psychologically to make him delusional?

 

Guys help me out.. There's not much info on this compound and I still haven't got to talk to my friend.

 

We're not doctors nor psychologists. We can't help you out.

Psychedelics are powerful substances, no telling what happened with him. Perhaps he had pre-existing mental disorders that he was able to keep under wraps, but 2c-e brought out. Or perhaps 2c-e just send him over the edge. Nobody here can tell you what is going on with his head though.

How often was he using said substances?

 

Maybe he just knows something we dont. lol

 

i know that 2ce (10 trips in 5 months) has made me more open to the ideas of "oneness" and "connectedness" and has even given me some thoughts on the afterlife... i've talked openly with my friends about it, and they can probably see some difference, but they probably just think i'm turning into a hippy or something...

 

im confused about why hes 'delusional'

because he had a powerful psychedelic experience and now is seeing parts of the universe he missed before?

that describes half the users on this website

 

That's what I was assuming, because it was his friends were calling him delusional so I'm not sure.

Well, he's "better" now anyways (they drugged him up with depressants or anti-psychotics or whatever). =/

 

yeah that's the answer isn't it?
drug up people with different ideals

 

There are definitly cycles that people can get caught up in, its a big part of seizure disorders...and a lot of the medications used in psychiatry are related to anti seizure drugs (or even are them). If you go around opening too many doors, occasionally one might suck you in and you need to be dragged down to earth in some way, but because of the enhanced state of being you have in this place it takes quite a powerful individual or group to pull you back manually, so instead we have chemicals

 

Wow, that is messed up. I don't know him or what's going on with him, but it sounds like that "disorder" Is just people who believe strongly in something that others typically don't. Hell, that could describe my parents. They're Christians and they are out there sometimes. Are they delusional? Or just have strong opinions that few people agree with? Since when do we "treat" people for differing and unusual opinions? That's some bullshit. How old is he?

 

This is most likely. He's probably figured out the universe, cant stand what he knows, and is delusional because his mind cant handle what he know.

 

If you think about it, fundamentalists would fit the profile for "Delusional" if you look at each of those symptoms.

I just think he had a strong belief about oneness, he told me about it and it wasn't whacky.

 

How old is he?

 

Eighteen.

 

Who made him go to the hospital? He is a legal adult, he doesn't have to take anything he doesn't want to take.

 

I have definitely experienced possession before it is an interesting thing. Everyone I was with thought I was delusional to. Psychedelics make the third eye more open allowing things that want in to slip in.

 

I just don't understand why it seems like other people are in control of him. Unless someone is committed, then they are in charge of themselves. You can't take someone away and drug them up without their permission. So is he allowing himself to be treated? Or has he not been given the choice?

 

generally speaking, if people couldn't get a coherent reaction from him then they couldn't rightly feel safe around him. Now his ability to communicate is like all other peoples...a two way street.

It is unfortunate that western society is over all so un accepting of altered states of being, but equally there is a clear and present danger in those states. Be that danger physical, emotional, spiritual or psychological doesn't really matter. If those around him were not prepared to deal with it that's their choice

 

He wasn't possessed, he just said he required an exorcism. Think of that in modern usage, like an ayahuasca exorcism.

Also, he's not taking the pills anymore. He's totally coherent too (and was before).

 

I got to say sorry for your friend! Unfortunatley Im of the opinion like many others on here that psychedelics are strong stubstances and to say he was 'just' using acid and 2c-e is an understatement to the power of those substances.

This is not very normal for a 18yr old at all! Why are you guys saying it is? From a phylosophical point of view mabye but not from a medical one at least.

I know people that have smoke weed/hash before many times and flipped out all of a sudden just out of nowwhere where they had to be hospitalized. That was in a different country and for a brief while that I knew those people one of them (don't know his mental condition) smoked hash one time and hospitalization was required though it was his daily routine.