horrific salvia trip

well in my 4 experiecnes with salvia i have come to the conslusio that if you break through to a full blown lvl5 Immaterial trip then its not too bad. Otherwise it is shit scary. Like i somehow got it into my head on a lvl 4 trip that the whole universe was a hoax. It meant that everything i had ever experienced in my entire life was meaningless, pointless and only there to deceive me about what i was experiencing. Kinda like dicovering you are in the matrix but much worse cos at least in there the other people are in the same situation as you so you can interact with them genuinely, they arent all part of the deceiving illusion.

I was utterly distraught imagine all my hopes, dreams, experiences, friends, lovers, being an illusion created by some cruel sadistic bastards who were no doubt getting kicks from observing me exist in this simulation masquerading for real life. And the fact that this realisation hit me to full force in seconds made it all the worse.

I think I'm gonna take a break from salvia, no point when i have access to LSD and DMT i guess.

btw for those of you who might not udnerstand the levels reference.

1-Subtle effects
2-Acute perception
3-Light visionary
4-Vivid visionary
5-Immaterial existence
6-Amnesiac effects

 

whats it like doing salvia, ive never done it, i want to but i dont know how to get any

 

a friend and i did salvia once.......didnt do all that much for me but for some reason or another he thought he had turned into a mountain......and i was a mountain and everyone in the room was a mountainand noone could move cuz if we did we would break the chain of mountains.....lmao......i just wanted a blunt of good herb

 

saliva i KOO

 

I had the exact same experience on a lvl4 trip, as have many others.
I "woke up" from the matrix simulation and heard "them" discussing whether they should terminate the simulation since I had awoken and seen the actual truth. They didn't seem directly hostile, just indifferent. One of them was really distressed that this had happened and wanted to pull the plug imediatly. It was like since I was a fictional character, it really didn't matter if my existance was terminated. Reality peeled away like the layers of an onion or the unravveling of a roll of paper. Going into lvl5 I ceaced to exist, but on my way back again I heard them once more discussing my fate. Obviously I was allowed back, but I can't help feeling that there is some truth to the experience. In a reality of infinite paralell universes, maybe we are just a story/screenplay/TV-show in a higher realm of consiousness.
If the trip itself was scary, then the idea of it maybe being true is even scarier.
This same thing happens every time I smoke 5x and it's really freaking me out.
Is this why most people don't like salvia? I hear salvia scares a lot of people, but they seldom give a good explanation of why the were scared.

 

salvia is not for the faint of the heart...

damn man, salvia's great ... I like to have a scare in the pants once in a while

 

That precisly sums up what is wrong with salvia. under the influence you do not know that you have taken a drug. However fucked up my LSD ego death simultaneously with a ketamine K-hole was i knew i was on a drug during the entire trip. Even on DMT which is more powerful than Salvia (it is a common experience on DMT to meet, communicate with, observe or even merge with otherworldy entities) yet you still are not convinced that is the real world.

And in my opinion lvl-4 is the worst level of salvia for this. In lvl-5 you may experience very very strange things (i realised for example space being made up of tiny living beings, and time existing as a physical dimension such as length depth etc) but they are so abstract and wierd that they are irrelevant to real life. However lvl 4 trips tear apart your reality but in a way you can comprehend and despise.

 

Everytime I was on it I've been constantly aware that I was doing salvia. Perhaps I needa do some more...

 

I usually am aware that I have smoked salvia but it slips my mind very often because it seems irrelevent. It's like I've awakened, and though salvia was responsible for the awakening it does not seem central to the experience. It's as if the salviaspace is there all the time but you need salvia to show you it. It's not so much entering a different reality but just seing reality from a different angle.

 

I just gave my brother some to try for the first time, and he said everything in the room had turn into mountains, including me...but he had to get everything in the room in the right place to keep it there, and when I moved he got really angry about me ruining the mountain. Or something. What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

 

It means you go and bump a nearly five year old thread.

But I forgive you since this is a good one.

Its funny because thats probably the way the universe works (in the OP)

 

P.S. to answer your question on mountain sybology..

 

Ok Mr. Nihilism

I remember watching someone interviewed about dmt. They were talking about how eventhough many people tried it in the 1960's, dmt didnt really take off or was not appreciated like LSD then because it was like to beyond the culture (or something to that effect) so it didnt really 'catch on' until like computer graphics entered the culture, the accelerated speed with how technology has become, so on and so forth. Its an interesting thought and salvia very well could be this same type of psychedelic for this generation.

 

Yup, this is a common happening in a breakthrough and it happened to me as well. I blacked out for the first minute or so of my breakthrough and then "woke up" to a level 5 where I merged with all sorts of inanimate objects - some familiar, some bizarre and never seen before.

I remember exhaling and not feeling anything for a few seconds and thinking I didn't hit it right and just as I went in for another hit, I got very dizzy and heavy, then felt like the right side of my body was sliding down itself into the couch. The next thing I knew, I felt like I was in my bed in the dark, about to wake from a long and refreshing sleep and that was the last pleasant thing I felt. When I "opened" my eyes, I was inside a swirling vortex of millions of tiny, constantly shifting and blinking green tiles, each with a flash of an object - a shoe, a chair, letters of the alphabet, things I couldn't make out, there were so many and it was all going by so fast I couldn't process it all, but every time a tile "flashed" it felt like it was taking a tiny piece of "me" and plugging it in and that's where the trickery and hoax feeling became aparent... that my whole existence up til that point meant nothing, and my new existence seemed even more pointless but I didn't understand it or have a choice... why was it making me become a piece of a shoe? I really, really didn't want to become part of a shoe, but it was ripping pieces from me but leaving what was left of my consciousness intact, it was like hell. It was abject despair and devastation. I know it's possible, but from what I experienced, I can't imagine ever having a beautiful experience on Salvia.

Salvia was the only thing that ever completely deconstructed reality before my eyes and replaced it with something else. That was the only time I'd ever forgotten I'd taken a drug and didn't understand what was going on until I started to re-emerge. The weirdest thing was... it was all so familiar, I felt like I had been there before, there were a lot of aspects similar to the sleep paralysis/night terrors I had a lot as a kid and teen... This is something that will stick with me forever.

 

it's not like how with some psychedelics once you get to a certain point you can't fear anymore - the fear just gets progressively more agonizing the higher you go with salvia.

salvia is so hard to remember, but the notable feeling I can recall is the whole empowering feeling like you're about to be destroyed, or as other people said 'merge with your surroundings', of course not being able to comprehend the concept of a "drug", only thinking reality is getting shoved into a rotating cheesgrater peeling anything concievable into colourful lines.

I've never encountered beings on it, besides the sensation of the people I'm with at the time I took it holding my arms and legs back so I don't destroy everything in sight; care to describe them? the fight or flight reaction gets too strong to have any thought.

 

Im surprised so many people provide such detailed accounts of salvia experiences, certainly far more descriptive than other disassociatives and they are about as thoroughly described as dmt trip reports, yet many claim to have little memory or 'blackout' of the experience.

The entity I saw on salvia would most closely be related to what we call a horse. It was humoungous and seemed to be looking over salvia land yet not in charge of it. It acknowledged my presence but there was no direct interaction. Thats the only entity I've seen.

 

i "felt" an entity, but never saw one.

my salvia trip was horrifying for the same reasons as other people have described. the feeling that my whole life was a cruel joke and forgetting that i smoked salvia.

 

Maybe Swim is strange, but he's never experienced "fear" on salvia. Remember, everyone's experience is different. There are no absolutes or standard experiences. Once you take a large enough dose, there is no knowing what is going to happen. Could be insanely scary or incredibly playful and funny. Swim thinks if you just surrender, this might alleviate a lot of the fear. You are dragging fear into the trip if you are scared as you hit the smoking device.

Swim doesn't think it's a drug for younger people, generally, unless you are very strong of mind and well-adjusted. Older people have more life/emotional experience and tend to have more of a grasp on life and "what it's all about," so to speak.

In short ... nut up and take the trip. Don't get scared when something weird happens.

 

One of the most beautiful experiences of my life occurred after smoking salvia.


P.S. Whats wrong with being a shoe?

 

I actually combined salvia and DMT... Same sensation you described. It was the scariest thing that ever happened to me...