Hope

Discussion in 'The Future' started by AnthonyLavin, Oct 8, 2007.

  1. AnthonyLavin

    AnthonyLavin Member

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    There comes a time when men must fight for their beliefs, I know most of you are just relaxing and enjoying your life, but I have seen in those I've met, in those I've talked to.

    I speak as a seer of olden times, one who see but the vision is clouded, I smoke and I get high and I see storm clouds gathering.

    I know you want to relax and have some fun but you call yourselves hippys and hippys believe in more than fun, they believe in love.

    This is love my brothers.

    I am warning you of what will come to pass, I see in the shadows a new dawn, I stand witness. The days of love will rise again but they will rise when the time is right.

    The dawn is the hardest time because people long for it, they see hints and dreams, they see me.
     
  2. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    i believe in the kind of world i'd rather be living in, one that doesn't put trying to impress each other ahead of the kind of surroundings we all have to.

    fighting just to be fighting is a big part of what screws everything up. the self dicipline not to is hardly a lack of ambition, or sense, or anything else.

    personal struggle is not some kind of magic that makes the world a better place. sorry.

    there ARE choices to be made certainly. choices of priorities. the ones we live by without thinking about, that statisticly combine to create incentives. that IS where THEY come from. and those motivate policies and THOSE create conditions.

    there's no shortcut from the individual to the condition, though it does of course start with each of us, even if some get the glory by virtue of their positioning. they in turn though, are only for the most part fallowing the incentives. that's how they get and stay there.

    creating the incentives for a condition and then complaining about that condition is a mixed message thing, and you'd think it wouldn't take rocket science to figgure out which gets listend too. but some still seem to think that making statements about policy, or even resaulting conditions is the way to chainge incentives.

    to a very limited degree it does. but the defacto statistical consensus of the values we actually live by, is the real driving force that creates them.

    you MIGHT dent a wall by beating your head against it, but there IS a much more effective way, and a hell of a lot less painful. it is what we keep being conditioned against even looking at, because some believe that belief will take care of it, and some that they are getting something out of discouraging us from doing so.

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  3. AnthonyLavin

    AnthonyLavin Member

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    I go where none dare to follow, into my mind to battle my demons and sometimes they win and I want you to stand and follow the love, faith and freedom you claim to follow.

    There are bad men with evil minds who try to destroy love, be warned and if you truly belive in love then you must be willing to do what it requires

    He who confuses straight with straight must beware the wickedness of good
     
  4. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    horshit! there is no other such thing as evil anything then to knowingly cause avoidable suffering.

    it is precisely by blind adamant fanatacism that any such thing is brought into this world in the first place.

    nor am i convinced it is the will of any god, or anything other then human shortsightedness, to do so.

    good and evil are not anything it is even possible to BE. but rather forms of behavior. and inventing excuses to cause suffering and harm, IS the behaviour that is rightfully called evil.

    =^^=
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  5. bigblondeafro87

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    Life is short. Smile. Love and find someone who loves you back. STAY by their side and do not leave. Live life simply. Only do what you need to to survive, and drop as many other things as possible. Sit in a peaceful environment and share what time there is with the one you love most. If you don't have love, take advantage of the extra time. Journey. Live on the edge. Feel like you are living every second of every day. Meet new people, but don't stick with them if you get tired of them. One of these people will be your love. Enjoy life until its last second, and do so morally and righteously, so that when you die, you will go to a place that is better than any one of us can fantasize about. These are the lessons I've learned, hopefully you will learn from them.
     
  6. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    i have found creating and exploring what makes me feel most alive. the kind of world we all have to live in, does matter, and matter a lot; but not in the way idiological or religeous fanatics insist upon.

    rather in the way it interacts with survival and opportunities for gratification.
    and thus morality becomes and is, about not creating conditions that cause suffering and not creating incentives for creating conditions that cause suffering.

    hope does indeed lie in focusing in such directions as would most bring universal well being and abundance, while at the same time, not being unfair to our individual selves in persuit of them.

    i don't know about edges. for the most part i see persuit of them as another kind of self serving ego-austentation. not saying there's anything wrong with the rush, if that's where you find gratification, as some people claim to. only pointing out that perhapse not everyone does.

    nor entirely in companionship either. though certainly more in companionship then in trying to impress anybody.

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  7. verseau_miracle

    verseau_miracle Banned

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    I realise that we shouldnt just ignore all the worlds problems and cover up our eyes and ears and pretend theyre not happening

    HOWEVER fighting violence and pain with more violence and pain is ridiculous, and i dont agree with it in any form for any reason

    I attend peaceful protests and inform people with love, compassion and forgiveness

    I do not think "this is war! Love vs hate! wooohoo!"

    hat defeats the object of the whole thing!

    Have patience, have mercy, always remember that these are the very things youre standing for

    Otherwise your influence is negative. Never heard *be the change you want to see in the world* ?

    P.s-This also includes having fun! And believe me, i know how serious these problems are. I know
     
  8. RELAYER

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    Love is not on it's way lol.
    Love has existed since the dawn of creation, and it will
    be the only reality to exist after the universe ends, to
    be reborn, out of love, again.
    Love is the glue that binds atoms together. Love is
    what keeps the planet from splitting in half. Love is
    what put our solar system in its place near the sun in
    order that life would boil and bubble out of the over
    heated bacteria infested soup of an ocean. Love is
    what makes flowers grown, rain fall, stars to burn and
    evolution to progress in all of coded vibrational existance.
    What is everything? A product of thought. Vibrational
    matter, formed out of a desireless desire for the One to
    become the dualistic many. The microcosm is the
    macrocosm.
    There is no 'future' of love. Past and present are merely
    personal mental image manifestations born out of desire
    in one's own mind. The only reality is now, and that
    very reality IS love at its essence. Nature essentialy
    loves all creation, why it grows so many different fruits
    and vegetables, and sustains a balanced harmony.
    Love is all there is and is the only reality.
     
  9. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    hope is what the plants that give us oxygen do every spring,
    and it works or we wouldn't be here.

    and last time i looked around, we are.

    so i definately wouldn't sell it short on any account.

    some people seem to think they have to see everything is a battle, well if they can do this without beating anyone over the head, i guess that's up to how inside themselves they choose to see things.

    personally i'm not one who does.

    for me, hope means figuring out that we DON'T have to be at war with anything.
    that survival, and beyond it, gratification, and even eventual universal abundance,
    can only come from understanding a kind of active and sustainable harmony.

    if we need to fight anything, it is our own 'fight or flight' reflex that is holding us back.
    the dawn will come when we learn, even if we must fight internal battles to do so,
    to crown no one with the thorns of demonizing them as enimy.

    reality is diverse. we can't do everything with hugs. but we can, and have to, if we want anything like what we say we want, to do so without making war on it.

    =^^=
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    i know of no way of making war on reality that isn't making war on, and defeating one's own self. and i don't mean that this time as a parable for overcoming one's less desireable tendencies, whatever they might happen to be either. suicide might be a way of making war on reality. making war on reality certainly is self destructive.

    i guess it's the simplisticness of just beating on something that appeals to some. but its a self deceptive simplisticness, and not one reality ever conforms to.

    =^^=
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  10. bigblondeafro87

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    Hahahaha! Do you know what hope is? Laugh now and know that the next second you will be happy! Shut off your mind's chatter and live life! Joke, run, jump, scream! Nothing is stopping you from being happy except for rules YOU have put there. Smash the fucking mirror and become undefinable. I have made the leap, its tough but the rewards are infinite. Don't let yourself be defined or understood, that is where stereotypes murder you! Run outside and yell for your soul...


    -the flying medicine man (not in a dictionary no more)
     
  11. themnax

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    yes, i aggree with all of that except the part about feeling like you have to make some kind of a big deal out of it, because doing so gets you back to being the same cleche' you're otherwise managing to avoid. so i don't think you need to shout anything, just being where no one, can expect or predict you to be, when no one expects you, or anyone like yourself to show up there, and again, quietly, invisibly desolving the mirror, without making any big deal about doing so either.

    when you can do that, that's connecting with the real power, the real infinity of diviersity that is reality.

    =^^=
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  12. killswitchjd

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    on the day hope is lost for the world, I will be there, fully automatics in hand, ready for war
     
  13. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    only a fool fights in a burning house

    (klingon proverb. i just watched one of the old origeonal series star trek reruns)

    =^^=
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