History is a Crock

It really is. I would go as far as to say that 90% of "history" is false.
Examples, there are so many. I'll just give one.
They say that the Spanish came to the Americas and wiped the Aztecs, the Maya, and the Inca, and that those civilisations "disappeared". But if you GO to any of those places, you will find those people alive and well....and even speaking the ancient tongues. They burned the Great Library of Alexandria for a reason, and every history-book is written with the bias of those whom they want to read them.
History is a crock, mostly untrue, a blanket story written by those who finagled their ways into having influence and being able to tell the stories the way they wanted.
Take the American Revolution (OK, so two examples). It wasn't fought over Freedom by any stretch of the imagination...it was businessmen who didn't want to pay taxes, and knew they were sitting on a continent full of the natural resources that Europe had depleted.
History is for the birds!

 

the American Revolution was still a great deal about freedom
not as much as we are led to believe
and they didn't wipe out the Aztecs and shit exactly, but they destroyed their civilizations

you are quite a naive one if you believe everything you hear in school, but you are also naive if you say that means most of it is bullshit

just as watching the news and such you have to sort through truths, half truths, and utter fallacies

 

I think much, if not all, "classroom history" is a crock

But its a stretch saying that all history is


History comes down to your own ability to question what youre learning and figure out for yourself what youre willing to believe according to whatever evidence you can gather.

Its about the individual and your pursuit for whatever truth you can gather. Its attempting to seek an understanding of something frozen in time, teaching you human behaviour and progress/degeneration

To charge history as null is to challenge a certain completness it provides (for me that is)

 

the american middle class refused to pay the newly imposed tax on paper.
in the history of the world it is the middle class that are the "revolutionary" class.
this is why those in power destroy them occassionally to retain power. rome was a monarchy that was overthrown by a middle class, as was america, and france (and cuba in this case cuba was being run by a dictator who took his orders from the now imperial government somewhere in america)

 

Midldle class never did anything. If anything, it was the lower class---France, Russia---that made things happen. In the Colonies, it was businessmen that wrote up laws to make sure they profited through the years.
I agree we must learn from our mistakes, but I also believe that history is a crock. I don't believe a word of it.

 

NO!

History is a cock.

It really is.

It's long, hard, and full of seamen.

 

I would agree, except I would say 95% of history is a crock instead of 90%.

 

so was benjamin franklin some poor farmer somewhere? was washington some guy just struggling to make ends meets, thomas jefferson etc? che guevaras family had some money afterall he was studying to be a doctor. no i'm sure that with a little examination of the facts you'll find that when you look at things from a different angle you might think differently. do some research and prove me wrong. the middle class are usually educated people and the middle echelon in the termite colony. the slaves such as myself are usually uneducated and easily controlled. the upper echelon relies on the middle echelon to keep the masses controlled (as the middle class usually have some kind of management role in business circles and in social movements). i'd say most of the people who post on this site are either on a middle class income or the children of the middle class. history shows that it is the middle class who are the true revolutionaries. my guess is that this has been going on for thousands of years, history repeats itself, ancient rome, imperial athens, sparta, china, india (enforced through the caste system).

 

History is as much a crock as is anything manufactured by the hands of man can be. But if it is as much a crock as you believe it is, then why do we know about people like Marx and Emelyan Pugachev? History is there, but it takes a discerning mind to understand all the implications of bias--geographical, social, political, etc.--and it is in the end the people who are the culmination of the crock for their inability to truly absorb the information presented to them. Like Thomas Jefferson said though, "The masses are asses."

What sets humans apart though--we have control of animalistic desires that are still lodged in our skulls despite eons of "enlightenment." We should be able to break that cycle of history, and create something completely, truly revolutionary. It's not something that's an absolute.

I'm sorry, is that off topic? I'm sorry, I'm sorry...

 

History isn't a crook. Nobody ever said that the Aztecs, the Mayans or the Incas were wiped out completely. I don't know anyone that has ever said that. EVER.

Look, the best source of historical accounts come from primary sources - like a journal, a diary, a newspaper or a letter. These are the kinds of sources that are needed for future. They give people a snapshot of what the writer was thinking, observing and dealing with at that moment in history.

I think internet blogging could be very important in the future, that is, if everyone's hard drives doesn't crash on them or something awful like that.

Pictures can be stored forever onto a computer. I can see what the Mona Lisa looks like no matter how many times it's been stolen or will be for that matter.

Now more than ever, historians, journalists and every day common-people can publish without fear of persecution - and as their reception they are criticised, debated, interviewed and scrutinized. People write books about other people writing books. For Christ's sake, only 150 years ago women were only published if they wrote under a male's identity and name. People are continuing to write about history, because history needs to keep on being written.

There are holes in history, but you don't shoot every dog because one of them has fleas.

 

Mathematics education in K-12 is wrong. When studied further, you see that simple things like 1+1=2 are simplifications and not always true. Further study shows that in all areas of math, the full details were omitted in high school. One could say that "high school math is a crock." (Please do not change the way you balance your cheque book.)

The history taught in High School may be incomplete, but it is a decent survey of history, given the time avaliable to learn the subject. It is an incomplete survey, but it gets the jist across.

To take one of your examples, the Aztecs stopped being a functioning government after the conquest. Even though the people were still alive, there was no "Aztec" control of the area. Given the time constraints, "The Spanish wiped out the Aztecs" seems to be a reasonable summery.

If you are interested, you can investigate further (as you did) and find the detail and a fuller history than what is taught in High School.

Just like math and history, all subjects taught in High School are at an incomplete survey level. Which is what is needed to give students exposure to the full range of subjects.

 

as for the American Rev and Freedom. Look up economic freedom. It is every bit as important as freedom of speech and other inalienable rights.

 

If history is a crock, then why are you trying to use it to back up your arguement? Your arguement is flawd because you don't know what the word "history" means.

 

History is nothing more than a series of events. History isn't a crock, people's interpretations of history are a crock.

 

most of it is, like the history of leftism.

Ideology killings, communism killed many people. If ideology kills people then how many did capitalism kill, deaths related to capitalism or deaths that are the result of capitalism?

communism killed this and this many but yet capitalism is innocent.


"History is a story written by the victors." Churchill

History remembers only the winners, like for Example we know much more about ancient Egypt than ancient Nubia.

 

Pretty much what I said above.

 

99% of history is unrecorded or unknown.........let alone a crock!!!

 

99% percent of statistics are made up on the spot and/or are bullshit.

 

so you think there isn't countless years of history unbeknownst to us slammon 420? I used the number 99% to express and accentuate my point that ALMOST ALL history is beyond our recollection. I was IN NO WAY ascertaining that this was a legitimate statistic. How could I possibly claim to know an exact percentage of history that is UNKNOWN? Your 14 years old so you really can't call bullshit on anybody especially about existential issues you don't understand and replies you don't comprehend!

 

It seems like this is the only thing anyone can say to me on these forums. I say nothing to make anyone made and I just have positive input and all anyone can reply with is "Shutup, you're 14". The thing is, you wouldn't know what I could understand or comprehend since you have never had any contact with me other than this.

As I said above, history is nothing more than a series of events and it's people's interpretations of these events that are wrong, not the events themselves.