Hillary Clinton Says posting "misinformation" should be a crime.

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  1. TheGreatShoeScam

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    I can't vote for Democrats anymore. They are just the party of dirty rats now.

    What the heck happened ?

    Everything they used to represent is gone and replaced with this kind of horrible shit.
     
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    And who, pray tell, is going to be the arbiter of what “misinformation” is?
     
  3. Piney

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    The Greek Oil Tanker that had burned since 08/21 was towed to safety it was reported today in The N Y Times.

    The tanker burned in the Red Sea for 27 days, a victim of a Houthi rocket attack.
    The event was hardly covered in the U.S. Press.
    Had it been an Exxon or BP. Aramco, the coverage would have been wall to wall. rembering the Exxon Valdez.

    Misinformation is more complex than telling a fib.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/17/world/middleeast/oil-tanker-red-sea-houthi-attack.html
     
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  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Clinton was talking about those who accept Russian, or other foreign money to spread propaganda in the U.S.
    Are you in favor of Americans spreading Russian propaganda?
     
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    Clinton was specifically referring to Russia turning to social media influencers in the U.S. to sway voters ahead of the 2024 presidential election.
    Speaking on MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show on Monday, Clinton was asked whether she believed the U.S. government was taking the issue of illegal interference in the U.S. election seriously enough. The question came in the wake of Attorney General Merrick Garland accusing the state-controlled news outlet Russia Today of implementing "a nearly $10 million scheme to fund and direct a Tennessee-based company (Tenet Media, which platforms high-profile right-wing, pro-Trump commentators including Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, Dave Rubin, Tayler Hansen, Matt Christiansen and Lauren Southern) to publish and disseminate content deemed favorable to the Russian government.
    "I think it's important to indict the Russians, just as Muller indicted a lot of Russians who were engaged in direct election interference and boosting Trump back in 2016, but I also think there are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda. And whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrence..."
    “Covert attempts to sow division and trick Americans into unwittingly consuming foreign propaganda represents attacks on our democracy,” said FBI Director Christopher A. Wray.

    So, she was talking of American propagandists collaborating with hostile foreign governments to degrade and 'game' the American electoral system and surreptitiously get their own "Manchurian Candidate" elected in contravention of the will of the American electorate.

    What's the matter? I thought that you disapproved of "fake news"?
     
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  6. Piney

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    a comedy / satire site: Babylon Bee is flagged for misinformation too.

    Funny. The 51 secuity honchos who signed the Russian Disinfo letter on Hunters Laptop are now concerned about disinformation?
     
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    "More than 50 former senior intelligence officials have signed on to a letter outlining their belief that the recent disclosure of emails allegedly belonging to Joe Biden’s son “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276

    Ex U.S. spies warned the Hunter Biden scandal had Russian fingerprints. They feel vindicated now.
     
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    Then start with the un American-" fox News ." And send the American haters--the Murdochs back to Aussie land.:laughing:
     
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  9. TheGreatShoeScam

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    Good question.

    And everyone seems to forget the wild west anything goes free internet of the 1990s and even 2000s, now its like majorly censored by the way google search omits stuff.
     
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    "Clinton went on to say this about Americans who supposedly “parrot Kremlin propaganda”: “I also think there are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda, and whether they should be civilly or even in some cases, criminally charged, is something that would be a better deterrence.” Clinton did not specify or give examples of what kind of speech would equal “Kremlin propaganda.”

    The remarks from the prominent Democrat echoed those made by Minnesota Governor and current Democratic Vice Presidential nominee Tim Walz some months ago, when he declared during an MSNBC interview that “there’s no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or hate speech, and especially around our democracy.” Experts have noted that the Supreme Court’s clear precedent is that almost all speech, no matter how detestable or out of favor, is in fact protected by the First Amendment."
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Still beating the Uranium One dead horse?
    Hate speech is not protected when it is intended to injure or incite a breach of the peace.
    Further misinformation designed to promote fraud in elections is not protected by the First.
    As Walz was talking about election fraud intended to influence voting...he is correct.
     
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  12. Piobaire

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    As much as Scam whines about "fake news", he enthusiastically cheerleads for the people who create "fake news".

    A group of former Trump advisers and operatives have quietly helped build a pro-Russian website that frequently spreads debunked conspiracy theories about the war in Ukraine, election fraud and vaccines.
    Ex-Trump advisers help to grow pro-Russia website that spreads misinformation
     
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    Yes the www stands for World Wide Web.

    What part of don't believe everything you read online is so difficult ?

    In other News you are a criminal in California for posting this.




    "One of the laws in question, the Defending Democracy from Deepfake Deception Act, specifies that it does not apply to satire or parody content. It requires large online platforms to remove or label deceptive, digitally altered media during certain periods before or after an election."


    These people are insane. All they did was encourage more people to make and post this stuff.

    Ya sure they are going to police all these entertainment websites to make sure everything people post is to their liking.

    I mean what the heck if you want 'real' news turn on a news channel, X and Facebook and this website its just entertainment.
     

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  15. Piney

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    Remembering how the expresion: " My Truth " was propagated in previous years.
     
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  16. MeAgain

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    It all depends on how the video in question is presented.
    If the video is presented as a real Harris or Trump campaign ad, it would be illegal as per defamation of a public figure, fraud, or perjury.

    Now you claim that California (under Governor Gavin Newsom) is insane for passing or attempting to pass laws about deceptive, digitally altered media. But you fail to tell us what laws you are talking about, or what they entail.
    You just jump to a conclusion based on your own undocumented opinion.

    Maybe you could cite the specific law(s) you disagree with and tell us what they say and why you specifically disagree?

    How about SB 1047, which would make tech companies legally liable for harm caused by AI models. What's wrong with that?
    Or SB 896 which would require a "risk analysis of potential threats posed by the use of generative artificial intelligence to California's critical infrastructure, including those that could lead to mass casualty events and would require a high-level summary of the analysis be provided annually to the Legislature." What's wrong with that?
    Or AB 2013 which would require AI developers to maintain data that traces how AI systems are developed. Something wrong there?
    Same with AB 1008, AB 2876, SB 1288, SB 2885, AB 3030, etc., etc. See more here.

    I'll wait......
     

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