High-Ranking Army Officer Says Missile Hit Pentagon

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  1. Pressed_Rat

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    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31824.htm


    Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicate Depleted Uranium Used; High-Ranking Army Officer Claims Missile Used at Pentagon, Not Commercial Airliner
    Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site.
    August 18, 2005

    By Greg Szymanski

    A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military’s depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used.



    “I’m not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used,” said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home.



    Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.



    Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium.



    “When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile’s impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile,” said Maj. Rokke from his Rantoul, IL home this week. “And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile. Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used.”



    And to prove the government’s jetliner theory is wrong, Moret said the quick actions of a friend near the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11, provide even more suspicion.



    Moret recalls on the tragic morning that once she saw the jetliner strike the twin towers and then heard about the Pentagon crash, she immediately called a close friend in Alexandria VA, Dr. Janette Sherman.



    Thinking radiation might be involved, she quickly asked Dr. Sherman, 77, a radiation expert and medical doctor who lived about 12 miles from the crash site, to get a Geiger counter reading.



    What the pair of experts found is astonishing. What they found is not only astonishing but four years after 9/11, what’s even more incredible is that their findings have been completely ignored by most everyone, including the Bush administration, the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media, all who appear more interested in rubber stamping the official 9/11 story then getting at the real truth.



    “Dr. Sherman was downwind from the Pentagon on 9/11 and her Geiger counter readings show an extremely high reading, a reading of more than eight to ten times higher than normal,” said Moret, also an expert in the cause and effects of depleted uranium.



    “Dr. Sherman, who is well-respected radiation expert herself, then went about contacting the proper authorities in order to try and alert emergency responders of the radiation risk at the Pentagon crash site. And we have also kept photos of the Geiger counter readings in order to verify what Dr. Sherman found 12 miles away.”



    After notifying the Nuclear Industrial Safety Agency (NIRS), experts from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the FBI were alerted and according to Moret, radiation experts later confirmed high radiation levels at the Pentagon crash site possibly from the presence from depleted uranium or other unknown causes.



    But what disturbed Moret most has been the Bush administration’s lack of concern and its failure to mount a thorough investigation into what really caused the high radiation levels, saying perhaps the findings might reveal something contrary to the official story that a jetliner rammed through 12 Pentagon walls of solid concrete.



    “Even if there was depleted uranium used, do you think the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would really care? These are bottom feeders that 20 or 30 years ago wouldn’t have been even allowed to set foot in such high positions of power,” said Moret.



    Although Dr. Sherman’s Geiger counter can’t be a conclusive finding, another nuclear radiation expert, Marion Fulk, agrees the positive reading, if anything, is suspicious.



    “It definitely looks suspicious but of course many factors have to be considered before a conclusion is reached,” said Fulk in a telephone conversation this week. “The type of Geiger counter used by Dr. Sherman needs to be looked at as well as the possibility of the true source of the radiation, whether it is depleted uranium in a missile, ballast in the airplane or within the structure of the building hit.”



    Even though no one can be sure, one thing positive is the Bush administration never really seriously cared about addressing the possibility of depleted uranium at the Pentagon just like it cares little about the same problem at the World Trade Center and in the war fields of Iraq and Afghanistan.



    And, more recently, Moret, Fulk and Maj. Rokke, along with Dennis Kyne, Bob Jones and Mark Zeller, have provided documentation for an explosive video written and produced by Joyce Riley and William Lewis called “Beyond Treason,” providing an in depth look at depleted uranium used in the Gulf Wars and its likelihood of causing numerous civilian and military illnesses.



    “It has been determined that the equivalent of more than 400,000 Nagasaki bombs has been released in the middle east since 1991,” said Moret, citing a report and subsequent speech at a 2000 depleted uranium conference given by Professor Yagasaki, a physicist and well-respected nuclear radiation expert.



    And in the 89 minute video, exploring a massive government cover up, Riley and Lewis point out the unexplained illnesses in civilians and military personal may be the cause of depleted uranium or perhaps a combination of overlapping causes, including chemical and biological exposure and the use of experimental vaccines.



    The writers of Beyond Treason, added:



    “The ailing Gulf War heroes from all 27 coalition countries slowly die from of “unknown causes,” they wait for answers from their respective governments, but no satisfying or even credible answers have come forth from the military establishment. Records that span over a decade point to negligence and even culpability on the part of the U.S. Department of Defense and their ‘disposable army” mentality.



    “The VA has determined that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, 15,000 troops are dead and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying from what the Department of Defense still calls a mystery disease. How many more will have to die before action is taken?”



    And in February, 2004, a conference called “Dialogues with Decision Makers” was held in New Delhi, India, where a group of experts gathered for the prevention of nuclear war and looked closely at the depleted uranium problem in the Middle East.



    Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, former chief of the Naval Staff in India, reported the following shocking details about the effects of depleted uranium:



    “In the 2003 war, the Iraqi’s were subjected to the Pentagon’s radioactive arsenal, mainly in the urban centers, unlike in the deserts in 1991. The aggregate effects of illnesses and long term disabilities and genetic birth defects will be apparent only 2008 onwards.

    “By now, half of all the 697,000 US soldiers involved in the 1991 war have reported serious illnesses. According the American Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30% of these soldiers are chronically ill, and receiving disability benefits from the Veterans Administration.

    “Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels.

    “At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation.

    “The Pentagon and the United Nations estimate that the US and Britain used 1,100 to 2,200 tons of armor piercing shells made of DU during attacks in March-April 2003, far more than the 1991 Gulf War (this does not include air dispensed DU munitions and missiles),” wrote the Post Intelligencer.

    “The long term effects, as Dr Asaf Durakovic elaborates, after the early neurological symptoms are cancer, and related radiation illnesses such as chronic fatigue syndrome, joint and muscle pain, neurological and/or nerve damage, mood disturbances, auto-immune deficiencies, lung and kidney damage, vision problems, skin rupture, increase in miscarriages, maternal mortality and genetic birth defects/deformation.

    “For years the US government described the Gulf War Syndrome as a post traumatic stress disorder. It was labeled as a psychological problem or simply as mysterious unrelated ailments much in the same way as health problems of Vietnam veterans suffering from Agent Orange poisoning.”



    For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com.
     
  2. Pointbreak

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    Airplanes normally have depleted uranium, up to 1,500kg. The absence of DU would have been better proof of a missile, so Rat you have scored another own goal.

    DU cannot be detected from 12 miles away, that's ridiculous.

    I have debated this DU stuff time and time again. It is absolute junk science. Cut, paste and run away Rat!
     
  3. atropine

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    yeah i was gonna say that earlier

    one problem with that although is, that DU in airliners have been phased out of a lot major airliners in favour of the more expensive alternative tungsten..

    and cmon.. if theyre gonna missile strike it, why you a fucken seminuclear one?
     
  4. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    http://english.wunderground.com/history/airport/KDCA/2001/9/11/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA shows clearly which way the wind was blowing that day, my god rat do some research ok! wind was blowing north ,northwest all day, yet she was south ,south west of the site. so she got a geiger counter reading 12 miles upstream of the crash site REMARKABLE! 12 miles downstream woulda been a stretch of the imagination,upstream im_fuckin-possible. now i'm sure you'll debunk this with "hey you spelled something wrong" therefore it doesnt deserve a reply.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    If you had actually read the article, you would have seen that it makes mention of this.

    "It definitely looks suspicious but of course many factors have to be considered before a conclusion is reached,” said Fulk in a telephone conversation this week. “The type of Geiger counter used by Dr. Sherman needs to be looked at as well as the possibility of the true source of the radiation, whether it is depleted uranium in a missile, ballast in the airplane or within the structure of the building hit.”

    If you're downwind of it, it can. And why should I take your word - a nameless, faceless know-it-all - over somebody who actually has credentials in the field? Please, tell me. What does Pointbreak know about anything, other than what he likes to believe he knows?
     
  6. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Please, tell me, where in the article does it say the readings were taken "south/south-west" of the crash site? Once again, put up or shut up.
     
  7. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    alexandria va. is south of d.c. right? say's she called a close friend "in" alexandria va.http://mappoint.msn.com/(pczqlm55ayjho1yqwbp24t55)/map.aspx?L=USA&C=38.80454%2c-77.04313&A=100.33333&P=|49E|&TI=Alexandria%2c+Virginia%2c+United+States
     
  8. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    The two paragraphs are referring to two different people. Moron.
     
  9. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    listen here moron ,your fuckin question was
    fuckin moron the readings were taken in alexandria va., by dr. sherman. which is south southwest from d.c. but since you clearly cant read your on post i guess reading a map is out of the question.i did supply you with a link to a map even.tell me then where they were taken? put up or shut up
     
  10. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Don't you know that wind directions are determined based on where the wind is blowing from and not the direction in which the wind is blowing? This means that if winds are coming from the north, they're blowing towards the south. This is why when you watch the weather report on the news they will usually say that the "winds are out of the north" or "out of the south" at such 'n' such miles per hour. They're not referring to the direction in which the wind is blowing, but the direction in which the winds are coming from.

    See http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gl)/wwhlpr/sfcobs_wnd_direction.rxml?hret=/indexlist.rxml&prv=1
     
  11. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    you have a funny way of admitting you were wrong ,but whatever. yes i know which way the wind was blowing,remember your the 1 who has problems reading what you post b4 you post it not me. read a little closer an you see where she acted quickly getting the readings but the windspeeds indicate she would have had to of waited atleast an hour. and 12 miles come on ,do your google on geiger counters havent seen any with those ranges, well not mobile one's anyways.
     
  12. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    How was I wrong?
     
  13. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    1.The two paragraphs are referring to two different people. Moron.2.Please, tell me, where in the article does it say the readings were taken "south/south-west" of the crash site? Once again, put up or shut up
     
  14. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Well, I will admit that I misread what you initially wrote. But you are clearly wrong by insinuating that the winds were blowing towards the north that morning, when in fact they were blowing FROM the north. This was the basis for your entire argument. You were wrong factually, while I simply misread one of your threads, despite the fact that you were wrong all along in your criticism of the article.
     
  15. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    no the basis was an still is 12 miles! the distance, doesnt matter which way the wind is blowing 12 miles is just too far, that and their is clearly more than the geiger readings which are arguable.but you clearly dont want to debate or "argue" you just wanna have a chance to throw a undeserving at the time "moron" statement in to discourage any other further debates on the subject.
     
  16. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    seem's ms. sherman is kinda a nut job.

     
  17. jim_w

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    Hahahah. I'd say that was a pretty good debunking, eh? Well done chaps. You know you've got him rattled (pun intended ;)) when he resorts to the old ad hominem.
     
  18. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    arent you the 1 who like's the "whats good for the goose" saying? well he's used it so many times it's fair game right? are far as me being rattled hahahah dont flatter yourself . old ad hominem's, so what your saying is we should believe the source no matter who it is?
    seems like im not the only one who is skeptical of her findings, seems to be an expert with a few if any subscribers... i didnt resort to a old ad hominem...just common sense, almost all of these conspiracy sites "balloon" their sources, so first order is to clear them up, kinda how they bumped a researcher for popular mechanics all the way up to author,when he was author he had full control,which was the grounds for being biased, but when i showed proof of his real job title , researcher, all the sudden the authors input was merely putting it all in nice little paragraphs. so i guess its a two way street, he totally discredit's the whole article on the grounds of who wrote it, so whats good for the goose is good for the gander!
     
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    Agree 100%. My comment was directed at rat, not you; he called you (I think; maybe another poster) a 'moron' for disgreeing with him - a sure sign of a small mind trashing around for ideas! :)
     
  20. cadcruzer

    cadcruzer Sailing the 8 seas

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    ....lol havent ever had any 1 agree b4 didnt know how to act hahaha, shoot 1st ask questions later always been my motto
     

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