Healthy America

Today I turned on Morning Edition on NPR, and they highlighted a story in which the 'tea party' folks plan on putting together a number of demonstrations in view of their local representatives against the recent advances in the health care debate. Now just to be clear before we begin, I should point out that I am in favor of a single payer health care program that would utterly destroy the health insurance industry that exists today. I believe it to be absolutely immoral for someone to profit from someone else's injury, sickness, or misfortune.
Their concern focuses not on the plight of the millions of uninsured Americans, but that their precious dollars may go toward the benefit of someone they see as inferior or undeserving. To a point I can sympathize with their view, if you are not willing to go out and try to make a living, you don't deserve to be rewarded for your laziness. They fail to realize, or admit that the people who would benefit are the working class who on a daily basis wear themselves to the bone and still struggle to get by. The people who have to live paycheck to paycheck and life is still uncertain. There is already a health care program, fully funded by their and my tax dollars that takes care of those who are not working or are considered to be in poverty. Their beef is with people already covered by a government program. To me, this makes no sense to try to punish those who work hard, and reward those who profit from another's injury.

They make arguments that the quality of our doctors will somehow be diminished if tax dollars pay for health care, rather than huge insurance companies and HMO's. Large insurance companies and HMO's that systematically deny patients coverage due to preexisting conditions or try to get out of covering patients because a recent development in their health is expensive to treat. The fundamental problem is that the insurance companies are for profit organizations that are more concerned with their bottom line and showing a higher profit than the year before than they are providing quality care for their customers. A system that is designed to treat illness and injury without concern of profitability would without a doubt be better for those in need of help.

In my opinion, the compromise currently being debated does not go far enough to fix our system here in America. They still leave room for these criminals to rob hardworking Americans by profiting from illness and injury. I am not opposed to a fair market system, or even elements of a free market system, but we're not talking about selling widgets to fulfill a need, we are talking about the health and lives of people... Real people that work hard, that have families, that should not be punished or robbed because they suffer from illness or were injured in an accident. Putting the lives and well-being of hardworking Americans second in line to a corporate profit margin is a morally bankrupt practice far worse than any abortion, rape, or act of violence. It says in no uncertain terms that a product of modern capitalism takes priority over God's most precious creation.

So this month if you see or hear about any of these types of protests or demonstrations, think about exactly what it is these people are advocating. They do make strong arguments, and they in fact have some very valid points. But we are talking about the lives of real people, like you and me and our families being less important than a corporate fat cat's next private jet flight, weekend at the beach house, or golf outing.


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So basically you pretty much have blind faith in whatever they tell you?

What makes you think a government takeover of health care will somehow eliminate profit from the people who are already profiting off keeping people sick? The pharmaceutical companies love the idea of state-run health care, because they know it's more money for them pushing their toxic drugs on people.

The government cannot even effectively manage a stupid "Cars for Clunkers" program, yet people expect them to effectively manage their health care. That's quite amazing.

To force government-mandated health care on people who do not want it is in fact nothing short of fascism, and people SHOULD be raising hell about it. Some people like having a choice regarding the care they can receive and don't want to worry about being turned away if the government is unwilling to pay for an important surgery or procedure.

Here's just a few of the gems taken from Obama's health care reform bill.

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!


• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!


• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!


• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)


• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.


• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.


• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.


• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.


• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)


• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.


• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)


• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens


• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.


• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.


• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.


• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

 

I think it only fair that you can only copy and paste long lists from other sites if you have personally gone through each one and know it is true.

Your Copy and Paste is a long winded Email and most of the claims have been debunked.
You can also find why if you look.

I'm glad you didn't add your usual: "Those of us who have done the research..."
Because you would be a big fat liar.

 

Well, if it's wrong then I guess people will find out for themselves when they research it and go to the official government site and believe every single word they read there.

 

I didn't say it is all wrong.
I said your cut and paste has been debunked.
You - as per usual - post stuff that you have not personally gone through and verified as false or true.
It isn't the point that people have to believe all that is written in the bill...
The point is you can't justify most of the points you cut and pasted.
You swaggered in like what you were saying was true, as usual.
So why post them in the first place, if you have no idea one way or the other?

I don't really like ragging on you, but it is just your style of posting, like you research these things in detail, when you clearly don't.
If you showed even the modicum of humility sometimes...perhaps more of this type of thing would not get so much criticism.

 

Rat isn't Fat.

 

So please tell me what exactly is false and point me to a non-partisan, non-government source that "debunks" it.

For the record, I have not read the whole 1,000+ pages of the bill. I have glanced over parts of it and have found that everything that is listed above (which I have confirmed myself looking at the bill) to be true. The debunkers will use whatever interpretation of the language they can to suit their arguments. You could say the same thing regarding the interpretations I posted above. However, based on what I know, I feel there is more truth to what I posted than there is with the White House playing damage control via their lapdogs in the media.

 

Ok, chubby.

 

LOL! Prove it!

 

Not today. You should have posted it a few hours ago.
I'll be back on saturday, though.

Exactly "much of what is listed" - meaning not all of it.
That was the point I was making.
With that, I don't really have to tell you what is false or true (IMO.)
You just accepted some of it isn't true.

 

I think I can safely say this is a chubby man.

 

No, I just cannot confirm all of it is true because I have not individually checked every single claim. However, if what I have seen matches with what was in the list, I see no reason to believe the rest of it is made up. Everything I have seen supposedly debunking these claims is coming from the White House propagandists and is being parroted by the mainstream media charlatans. The White House is running MAJOR damage control at the moment because their plans have been completely exposed.

 

It's called having a manly physique.

But I can admit I am chubby. Definitely not "fat," though.

 

It might be a good idea to do so.
Instead of the usual swagger.
Don't you know the cart comes before the horse?

This is just your usual gumph, Rat. I'll skip over this if you don't mind.

 

Open to interpretation. You'll deffinitly need a specialised healthcare plan...if you can still get one.

 

What about a specialized plan for your ginormous mellonhead?

 

When I say something, I am saying that it is true. Not "the parts I have bothered to check".

I guess some people have lower standards.

 

Yes, YOU SAY it is truth. Big difference between the shit you spew (90% establishment propaganda) and the truth.

But I never claimed what I say (or, more accurately, what I post) is 100% truth. I encourage people to do their own research and come to their own conclusion -- not agree with what I say.

I have no reason to believe that what I posted isn't the truth. All I said is that I cannot confirm every single detail as I have not read over every single page of the bill (but probably still more than the average "elected official" ever will).

Got anymore shit you'd like to nitpick?

 

No, instead he started with:

before cutting and pasting something based on blind faith about what 'they' had told him.

 

No you misunderstand.

When I post something, I have done the research and I stand behind it. When you post something, you are often just copying and pasting and you immediately walk away from it when challenged, leaving behind a trail of excuses.