I'm surprised it isn't a huge issue being discussed considering the vote. What I'm curious about though is if there may be a plan in motion that just hasn't been talked about much in this regard. Let's say the bill passes today and it makes it past the senate as well... there is a huge bill that comes along with it. Some of it will be recouped through the differences in the way things will be set up, but there will still be a huge cost to it. I love canada's health care system and think it is one of the best in the world, and it costs the average person less overall then the alternatives, but it is one of the reasons we pay the taxes we do. But what if obama has another plan up his sleeve (or could be convinced he should). The decriminalization of weed has long been talked about and slowly worked towards. What a better time to push it through then just after making a health care billl that needs money? Remember, it's not just what the US spends to fight it and what is spent to jail people for it and what impact the arrests and such have on the economy now or even the just the amount of money from taxing weed... It's also opening a whole new economic area to develop in a time when a lot of other sectors are failing. It's also a decrease in US money being shipped out to other countries to get black market weed. It's also the increase in tourism from people coming to visit the US. When you are sitting there looking at one hand that needs a trillion dollars a year or so, and the other hand is empty (or worse yet being pulled by creditors), a 'Weed Stimulus Package" sure could be attractive.... no?
Is this about the vote in the senate today? Or is this about legalizing marijuana for economic recovery. Obama's health care will be paid for... by us and our taxes. That's posing a real life situation vs a hypothetical resolution that sadly is not going to come to reality any time soon. Two very different topics. Im sure most people here realize the potential positive impact on the economy "legalizing" can do. But that really has nothing to do with the vote today or the days to follow. Hypothetically sure. But realistically? Not so much.
That's amazing... paying for the health care bill has nothing to do with the health care bill... And you wonder why your country is swirling the drain... LOL
Your right it doesn't, that was my point. Economic recovery via legalizing marijuana has nothing to do with the health care bill. Just trying to sort out your point.
Actually, the Democrats have done quite a bit for us since they got control away from the fascists. I lost my job in Oct. 2008, and due to the economy, and my age, I can't find a job. Originally, I was approved for 19 weeks of unemployment. A year and a half later, it is finally ending, maybe. There have been 4 federal extensions of unemployment and funding for a state extension. President Obama signed into law about a year ago an xtra $25.00 per week payment for everyone on unemployment; about the same time he signed a tax rebate for working Americans to be given in weekly pay checks. The problem with the Democrats is they have a problem touting their own good legislation, they're not braggarts, they seem to do their jobs for the common folks, and move on. If it wasn't for the Republicans we would have had a better health care bill almost a year ago. And Karl Rove can shove all 2,000 pages of it up his ass. (I dream about him and Dick Cheney getting water boarded.) .
They're all fascists, and this little drama play is just a circus put on for our benefit...not unlike the elections and most of the higher offices themselves. While the idea of national healthcare is a very good one; and it is mindboggling how barbaric and/or stupid those against it are...this is not some heroic action by an otherwise lame-duck president and his noble congressmen. They're all scum and any one of them would see any one of us and our family liquidated without flinching. Now that the domestic side of the wheel is over; it's probably just about time for another false-flag terror attack so we can go back to heroically blowing up foreign people at a greater cost per week than ending world hunger.
You sound like a conspiracy theorist. The bill that was just signed is not national health care, although I agree that national health care is a very good idea. .
I believe that The Ben Roethlisberger Bullshit in the Pennsylvania media was to draw attention away from Jason Altmires dirty political mind games.. .. how you sway simple minds?,. feed them a simple bullshit stories.. :coffee:
I hope enough people are starting to realize that this isn't a government takeover of U.S health care.
I was sad to see the public option go. To me, it's simple, keep paying for $50 million salaries for CEOs and million dollar bonuses for thousands of others, or pay less for more coverage through the government, like most other civilized nations. There are some things from which profit is just immoral. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Blue Cross for raising their rates 39% in the middle of the debates. Without this move, the bill may not have passed. .
I agree with this sentiment, but I think it goes much further then health care. Food and housing being right up their with health care. The problem is that without profit, no company does anything. Without companies seeking profit, you would knock a couple of hundred years of development off the human race, seems without that motivation, we wouldn't have made it to the industrial revolution.
A lot of good can be said about Capitalism, but a lot of bad can be said about unbridled Capitalism. Some industries, like insurance companies, develop nothing. Wall Street develops nothing. Most of the innovation of the industrial revolution came about with only hundred thousand dollar compensation. $50 million dollar bonuses are the result of growing stock prices, not developing cures for cancer or inventing green energy transportation. Modern American Capitalism is about growing capital, not innovating. .
Absolutely true on all accounts, but we weren't talking about innovation, we were talking about profit from survival necessities. The 'profitable' farmer, expands his business and produces more crops and products that are needed for others to survive. The non-profitable one goes broke and sells his land to the profitable one. Take away that profit and you eliminate that, where do we end up? Instead of a couple of farms producing enough to feed 1000 people, you have many many smaller farms producing enough to feed a couple of hundred. And no, that isn't an argument for either profit or factory farms, just simple fact.
I am glad it passed, its great to see the United States starting to move forward with something positive for the people. I realize that this bill could be alot stronger but it is a progressive step forward in what will probably be a long journey. People must remember the representatives that stuck their necks out to vote yes come November and show their support. It will probably be a pretty vicious election season coming up and the far right will be out in force trying to unseat anyone who supported this bill. I hope us lefties can come together and put up a good opposition to them, so please remember to vote.
I think the biggest hurdle now for healthcare is that the republicans will be doing everything to show that it was a bad plan, including looking for ways to fuck it up for no other reason that to 'prove' they were right by not supporting it. After all, if it works well, the republicans just fucked themselves...
Yes they will be in full battle mode from now until the elections, and they will stop at literally nothing including bullying or outright violence to intimidate people that hold different views than theirs. They will be making up some very creative bullshit but I think the majority of the people will see through the lies of the likes of fox snooze and that tub of shit rush. If all goes well most people will remember the right wing child like behavior of the last year and continue to vote for what is best for the people.
