Guitars

Discussion in 'Music' started by jmt, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    so i finally realized that basically almost all guitars are the same EXCEPT the difference would be the neck.

    for example

    an ibanez RG can have a floyd rose locking system with two EMG humbuckers and finally mahogany wood body.

    and a ESP Kai signature have the same pick up and locking system (since all locking systems on guitars are licensed under floyd rose.) and mahogany body.


    so the only difference i see in these two are the head stock wood cut out! and the necks thickness.

    anyone feels what am saying?:cool:
     
  2. Nirali

    Nirali Member

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    Maybe same but different sound, tho. Guess, Ibanez RG has more gentle sound for metal songs without very high and very low frequences.
     
  3. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    Actually, there are many other differences such as neck dimensions, pickups, what type of wood the guitar is made of, the body shape, hollow, or solid-body, and the list kinda goes on and on...
     
  4. Lea

    Lea Member

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    There are loads of differences. The wood it is made from is a big one.
     
  5. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    yeah!
     
  6. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    reread first post.
     
  7. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    Oh oops, pardon moi. It only takes a few martinis to get your judgement impaired I guess! LOL I should also be more elaborate as to what I was trying to get at as well, shouldn't I?

    Let's see, since you used the Ibanez RG as an example... It also depends on what kind of bridge the RG has; is it an original Edge, Lo-Pro Edge, Edge Pro, etc...? Those are all variations of Floyd Rose "licensed" trems, BUT different all the same. I have a Floyd on one of my guitars and it works the certain way, and I also have a couple of Ibanez guitars with Edge Pro's which are totally different than the original Floyd. I'm also familiar with the Lo-TRS II trem by Ibanez, and I tell you that one is something else entirely different. Then you have those Kahler locking trems, most of which are actually NOT licensed under Floyd Rose save for one or two models.

    I'm not familiar with the Kai Hansen signature model guitars, but is it safe to assume they sport the original Floyd Rose bridges? I suspect, with the same pickups installed, those and the RG's may give you the same kind of tones...or they may not. This is where the choice of wood, the body dimensions, what kind of pickup selector switch you get(three-way toggle, or five-way blade), other tonal option such as how responsive the tone control knob(s), presence or absence of the coil-splitting capability, all come in. Plus, some guitars(or bridges I should say) may also feature piezo pickups for even more tonal variety.

    And let's not forget sometimes the two guitars of the exact same model may not sound perfectly identical due to various reasons. I guess it's understandable, though, considering wood is a natural material where, even if you use the same chunk of wood to make two bodies, they may not be exactly the same. Hmmm, unless you go for acrylics I suppose...


    By the way, I apologize if I sounded TOO elaborate or whatever. I didn't mean to sound all geek-like on you, lol.
     
  8. zombiewolf

    zombiewolf Senior Member

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    Aww shit, ya had to start to yammerin' on about the floyd rose shit...:p
    ( I dig Ibanez guitars btw)

    I just picked up an old type 4 Charvel with the original Kahler floater.
    You know, the one Floyd rose sued the crap out of Kahler for, to the tune of 1.5 mill?

    Anyhow, the setup on these bastards is a bitch! The fuckin' saddles don't even have any screw adjusters for intonation, you just loosen the anchor screw and shove the ting around I guess:confused:
    I'm not really that fond of " pointy" guitars" This ones got the strat body but still has that damn pointy headstock that cause those string angle problems as the strings exit the nut...

    The locking nut is kind of a peice of crap too. String angles are cutting into the pot metal so the clamps failed. I repaired that this morning (Epoxied a piece of brass to the bearing surface.) I'm gonna give the thing one more setup (5th time) if it don't stay in tune I'm gonna block the sumbitch up!

    I don't use the whammy all that much anyway, almost no divebombs just a little vibrato. Appreciate any tips! (This is my first floating bridge set-up):eek:

    ON TOPIC
    As for guitars that are basically the same? I do know that many japanese made guitars are having their parts made in the same factory.
    I'm talking about neck and body here, not guts and hardware. Jackson claims their (Dnky)guitars are made by their own seperate japanese factory, but they are remarkably similar to guitars I have seen under more and less expensive brands( ESP, Silvertone,)

    ZW
     
  9. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    no need to apologize great post! i was honored.
     
  10. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    i never came a cross a ESP their rare. I been to Guitar center and Sam Ash and no ESP.

    I find saw one but i wasnt able to play it:mad::(

    it was the body of a fender same color of the ESP on the Metallica one vid that Kirk uses.
     
  11. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    i got a pic of my guitar on my file btw guys
     
  12. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    Haha, I guess I had to. :p Well, bridges DO alter your playing experience after all. Like, an original Floyd type bridge seems to be a bit "stiffer" than something like an Edge-Pro, though, it's still adjustable(reduce the number of the trem springs at the back). Anyway, there are certain techniques like "flutter effect" that SEEM to work better with an original Floyd than an Edge-Pro, I guess because of the structural reasons. You can still "flutter" with an Edge-Pro, but it tends not to be as intense.

    Anyway, sounds like you've got yourself a pretty cool looking guitar, if pointy-headed, but the locking system DOES sound a bit questionable, eh... I don't know what you can do to optimize the guitar's setup, but you might even consider taking her to a repair shop/luthier if you can afford investing a little extra money on your new baby.

    BTW, it seems there ARE such thing as design flaws and/or faulty bridges. I've had a bridge like that in the past where it was basically impossible for the strings to return to the correct pitch after a crazy whammy use. You might actually be better off with an original Floyd which seems to be more consistant in terms of tuning stability. Or, of course, the other option is to block the bloody thing, yes.

    Anyway yes, sorry we got a bit off-topic there. :p In any case, I must agree the Jackson Dinky/Soloist body shape and the various ESP strat-style bodies are VERY similar. If the specs on both were exactly the same, then I think it would pretty much come down to the matter of personal preference... Unless I'm missing something here, which is also not unlikely, LOL.
     
  13. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    Thanks man, I'm relieved to hear that! :)

    By the way, I checked out the pics of your Ibanez. Awesome guitar dude! The S series is definitely a line of guitars I'm very curious about. Yours has a ZR trem, and they say that thing stays in tune like SUPER well! Now, is it actually true? *curious*
     
  14. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    dude.....did you notice how i dnt have the head locking???


    can you say four little nephews.....:mad:


    i have to buy them again dude I dnt know where to get head lockings?!
     
  15. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    Damn, you're actually MISSING the locking pieces?? I thought you'd just taken them off and took those pics, LOL.

    Well, that's alright man, you can still order those parts in. I had to replace the locking "pad" and the screws on one of my Ibanez guitars, and the parts were easily found at a local music store. I also had to replace the ENTIRE locking nut(those three "pads", screws, PLUS the base nut part) for my other Ibanez due to normal wear-and-tear, and it was easily dealt with at the shop also. Just visit your local guitar shop and ask them. :)
     
  16. TheMagneticHeadache

    TheMagneticHeadache Banned

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    Guitars always FEEL different though. Which is why I never ask to try out the pricey ones at my local music store. Or pick up a friend's who probably spent 7 times as much as I did for an axe. Because then, I'll go back to my piece of shit and become riddled with envy.
     
  17. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    I know how that feels......til i got my RG...then my mega upgrade..S series:D.

    my first guitar was a squird fender......:eek:
     

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