going to loose my 2C-E virginity

How would you experienced 2C-E trippers plan your first trip, setting that is, having the benefit of hindsight?
I recently obtained a good quantity and plan to try a small amount with a sitter to become familiar, and then something in the range of 15-18 mg after I'm comfortable with it.
My reason to revisit psychedelics after several years is personal, work through some thoughts and issues and step outside my comfort zone. Having some experience in the past with cid and shrooms, I'm very familiar with set and setting and I have a general idea of how I want to proceed in that area.
I'd like to hear what you've learned with your experiences that facilitated self-examining trips, made your journeys comfortable and introspective. About all I've decided on is venue (secluded beach area at night, dropping before sunset) and a variety of music on headphones. (floyd, yes, tull, sphongle, etc)

 

My first time was last weekend with 25mg. It was really awesome but next time I am def gonna take 30+mg. It was a nice introductory dose. But anyway, whenever I trip I don't try to plan too much. It kinda sucks having an itinerary because more than likely things won't go as you planned so I just wing it. Make sure you have essentials so you don't have to go out and make sure your in a place that makes you feel comfortable. That's all that really matters and whatever happens after you start tripping happens.

 

i would suggest taking at least 12 mg for your first trip. that's the first dose i took and i felt like it was enough to get a feel for it.
a beach at night sounds awesome. music is amazing on 2ce, even better than on LSD for me. make sure you bring plenty to drink and i would just say "go with the flow"
if you have the option of a different safe area, that's always nice.

 

I took ~20 mgs for my first time out in a forest blasting Shulman, (similar to Shpongle) The doors, and some Grateful Dead. Couldnt have asked for a better set and setting and music but I think I took a tad bit too much and would have preferred 16 mgs. I didn't feel overwhelmed mentally in the slightest and I'm not sure its the best self-examination psychedelic, but I had persistent physical cramping/tension pretty much the whole duration. I don't hold quite the same affinity for it as some here but it can be a very powerful experience. I would say it made me have a very strong emotional sense of wonder towards nature and make me respect 'research chemicals' as legitimate psychedelic tools.

 

Hi GM, ya thats very much my approach (at least in the past) is to follow where the journey goes. I didn't mean to plan the trip in detail, more like plan ahead for things to have, or setting experiences people have found to be the best. I don't plan to be home, more like out in nature, and probably bring along a backpack for stuff. As an example, I would bring some water because finding myself thirsty, and maybe a long way away from a place to get some, and having to negotiate with people on a different level (IE sober) is arduous for me.

Thanks for that... I'm thinking 10-12 or so to get the feel might be best.

I was hoping you'd chime in GB. Ya I know 20 is too much for a first time for me until I have an idea how the experience is for me.
You didn't find it very good for self-exploration? I get the general feeling that more people find it is, than not. That is my primary interest, a recreational side would be great too but its not my main focus.

I'm not in a place in life where I can just wander into this any time I want. So it might sound like I'm planning more than most, but for me I have specific reasons for wanting this, and I'm not always in a time and place where I can just shrug off the world and do what I want. I'm also (for good or bad) older now and more patient.

Thanks all for your input. :grouphug:

 

Compared to shrooms or LSD I do not, I feel 2ce leaves the ego pretty firmly intact. I don't find it a recreational trip either though, more like the sensory effects (which are impressive) are in the forefront and self examination, probing, etc. Take a backseat.

 

i personally find 2ce to be pretty introspective and empathetic.

even 14 or 15 mg would be a good starter dose. i am cautious and a planner myself

 

yeah i agree, 25mg of 2c-e didn't give me much of a mental trip but a lot of visuals.

Even 60mg 2C-I didn't really do much to my ego or any of the 2C substances.

 

I'd say do at 15mg at least.

 

Thanks Pork... that's exactly what I've gathered doing my research. There's many different takes on the 2C's. I'm hoping this might be what I'd like it to be. Since the shrooms didn't pan out this seems like the next best bet.

Thanks all for your input. GB, ---> :rockon:

 

it seems to be more common for people to say that 2cx in general leaves the ego intact, and has only a small mental component to the trip. but it also seems to be the consensus that 2ce is one of the more introspective of the group.

did shrooms not pan out because you couldn't acquire them or because you didn't particularly like the trip? 2ce is much more comparable to LSD than shrooms, IMO, but still significantly different.

 

I had another 25 mg trial to introduce a pal to the stuff. I agree 100% with what you describe. There is a hell of a sensory enhancement. There is more of a mindfuck than 2c-p (the other I experienced) and a bit more introspection. It is totally controlable and not consistent. For me, the mental effects deal more with confusion and amplified emotions. I would say the main effects of this chemical are the orgasmic, electric rush through your brain, torso, spine and limbs, the hyper-senses and the musical enhancement.

I think the music is enhanced by the body rushes and the heightened senses. I can feel the music run through my brain, down my back and into my limbs like my body is a giant sexual organ having an orgasm.

 

They didn't pan out because when I finally found some, they were bunk. There might have been something there but I procured 10g, tried 3g to measure their effect and didn't feel a thing.
Shrooms and cid are massive hard to find around here, mostly because of my circle.

 

Tonight is experiment #1. I have a sitter coming over that is somewhat versed with psychedelics but not extensively and in more of a recreational way. But I trust her so...
Straightened things up in the house a bit... arrainging some music, bringing in wood for a fire in the fireplace, making things comfortable, etc.
A scale just popped up in a serendipitous way, but it doesn't have excellent resolution. It goes to 2 mg so the amount won't be exact. I'm shooting for 10-12 mg it seems from all the reading i've done that should be slightly on the moderate side of medium.

Any last minute suggestions... I'll pop on shortly before/after dosing.

 

Increase your dose

 

^^^^ I thought I would play it down like that my first time and ended up doing 25mg and did not regret it.

 

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I'd recommend AT LEAST 20mg.

 

Pre-dose time...

GB... explain please? I'm very interested in why you feel that way?

Brief background... I haven't tripped (except a few good salvia experieneces recently) for about 25 yrs. I had several L and shroom experiences.

I've read quite a bit. It seems 10-12 is enough to get a feel for it, but still a bit mellow. I'm not interested in a deep trip until I can have a better setting. My set is good, but I'm going to hang at home, mostly inside, probably venture out for a walk but that's about it.

Thanks for your replies all.

T- 30 mins

 

Dude.....seriously.....dose no less than 16mg. I'd still recommend at least 20mg if you're in a good tripping space though. 20mg will give you a good feel for it. 25-30mg would be better, but I think 20mg would be a good place to start.

 

Because you've had several LSD and Shroom experiences being a main factor.

I think with psychedelics, especially after long intervals of time off, that you need to thrust yourself back into that head space. Phenethylamines in general are a bit more easier to go with and 'manuever' around the mental head space than tryptamines (shrooms) and LSD. 2ce has a very slow and gentle comeup so you will be able to let it come on and go with it. I don't know why you would deny yourself some of the sensory effects either.