German Court Rules Circumcision Illegal

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  1. skip

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    A local German court has ruled that circumcision, even as a religious ritual is illegal. The court basically ruled in favor of the children in several ways. They concluded that circumcision does bodily harm to minor children, without their permission. And it also ruled that it denies the child the right to choose their own religion. That would be a very important issue.

    The court ruled the muslim doctor who performed the circumcision on a four year-old was innocent, as until the ruling, there was no law against it. But they put other doctors on notice (at least in that jurisdiction) that it would be illegal from now on (until appeal, one presumes).

    Ironically, the Jewish and Muslims who protested the decision used terms to describe it as "insensitive".

    A rabbi protested the decision:
     
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  3. skip

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    The Rabbi's statement is totally ironic. Uh, what about the child's right to be free from intentional bodily harm, especially from adults? What about the child's right to choose his/her religion?

    Islam and Judaism both ignore the rights of the children. There are other religions too with similar rituals. This is the tide turning now, where a child's rights prevail over religion. I think the pedophile scandals with the Catholic Church have altered people's perceptions of how human rights have been violated by religions.

    I for one strongly support the idea that everyone, including children should be able to choose their own religion and not be coerced or automatically inducted. I would think if their parents practice of the religion was fair and just, kids would accept their religion.

    Exposing kids to other religions and letting them choose is only fair. It should be a goal of any democracy to ensure everyone the right to choose their religion. Isn't that what religious freedom and democracy is about....freedom of choice?
     
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    religion is retarded, GO DEUTSCHLAND!
     
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  7. SpacemanSpiff

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    I question their actual intent


    but agree with the result none the less
     
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    I'd like to see their reasoning for this. Do they think a child that grows up being told he is a sinner and must be a good christian and go to church every week has a choice of religion? It would be unthinkable know any other way of life. And it's not like a circumcision prevents a kid from converting to say, Ba'hai or Jainism.
     
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    No, but it prevents the kid from making the decision to have a piece of his penis chopped off...
     
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    I love this decision because it's completely free of religious dogma and addresses the reality of the situation, putting the rights of the child above the rights of the parents or their religion.
     
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    To clarify: The court's ruling allows the kid the decision, when he is old enough to make it (an adult, presumably). This gives the kid all his rights. It denies the power of religion over the individual. You RARELY see something like this where children are given the same human rights as adults. In fact, it seems this decision may be difficult to overturn in the EU.
     
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    And if that were a right under German law I'm sure the court would protect it. Here I don't see the relevance considering the right is freedom of religion. Circumcision alone doesn't make you a muslim and bar you from all other religions.
     
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    Sorry, typed that wrong. I meant to say that it prevents the kid from having part of his penis chopped off without him being able to make the decision.
     
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    Love this decision should be interesting to see what follows
     
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  23. PurpByThePound

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    seems a little drastic to make it ILLEGAL

    some people choose for their son to be circumcised for hygiene
     
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  25. eggsprog

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    then those people should clean their kid's dick instead of chopping it off
     
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  27. PurpByThePound

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    beyond that.
    some kids are fucking dirty as shit and you can't well justify jumping in the tub with your 13 year old to wash his scrote...i'm sure people will have more of a problem with THAT.

    plus it harbors bacteria and infection...to each his own...

    i'm cuttin my kid's willy though.
     
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    just because some people are dirty, doesn't mean that people should have the right to harm a child and remove a part of their child's body because they don't want to teach them proper hygiene.

    should we remove the appendix from every baby because it isn't necessary and they could suffer from appendicitis later in life?
     
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  31. PurpByThePound

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    it doesn't 'harm' them

    it's silly for you to try an argue this with me, i have no reason not to do it other than they were born like that and it MAY increase sensitivity...which...who cares. uncircumcised dicks look fuck ugly, and as the general look of cocks are piss poor already, i don't want my son to have the ugliest dick on the block

    thankfully my son's dick and you will most likely have NOTHING to do with each other, so it concerns you nada. which is a point i'd like to make, because my son's dick would have even LESS to do with the government of the country i reside in...so why the fuck are they trying to control this? for many people the decision is not religious in nature. sure it started that way, but people are fucking weird and do weird shit. my dick is snipped, i'm happy it was done, now my son gets one.
     
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    Oh and please dislike my posts more for my opinion, you conceited fucks.

    And really...have you ever smelled dick cheese?
     
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  35. eggsprog

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    i don't think the kid is crying because he's enjoying having someone cut part of his body off, so i think it's pretty fair for me to say that it causes harm.

    you're also making a really personal choice for your child at a time when they are unable to give any input into it. it puts them at risk for infection from the procedure (however small, it is a risk - probably more of a risk than from not washing their uncircumcised dick) and prevents them from feeling the full pleasure of sex (which, to me, is a big deal).

    edit: i'm not arguing with you, just having a discussion...
     
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  37. skip

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    Why are you so obsessed with your son's dick? So much so that you want to lop part of it off? It's his, not yours. Think before you act. It's child abuse, like it or not.

    Were you planning on entering him in a contest?

    On Children
    by Kahlil Gibran

    Your children are not your children.
    They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
    They come through you but not from you,
    And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
    You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
    For they have their own thoughts.
    You may house their bodies but not their souls,
    For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
    which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
    You may strive to be like them,
    but seek not to make them like you.
    For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
     
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  39. PurpByThePound

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    the child is crying because it just popped out of a fucking snatch...not because its dick hurts

    it may be personal, but it's how my tribe does. 'full pleasure of sex' well...it's an easy route to teach the little brat that you can't always get what you want and that most of the time others will have it better than you.

    and then my kid will be a fucking astronaut and shit on all the cavedwelling plebians with stinky smelly dicks that are left on earth because their dicks were too dirty.

    like I said. I was raised this way. I am happy it was done. I will teach my son that it's okay to be different and that if your dick is different than others it doesn't make you less of a person. and if you want to cut your kid's dick a little bit when you are a parent, you can do that, too. it doesn't make you a MEAN and EVIL tyrant of a parent.


    for real...for all the 'free speech' and 'acceptance' of people, hippies REALLY don't like anything that goes much off THEIR median.


    all in all - this seems like a good idea. to protect children. but what I see is a government that is crossing too many personal boundaries.


    also - i am talking about the clinical practice of circumcision near birth. not the ritualistic circumcision of a prepubescent.
     
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