Gay tendencies

Wonder if mutual masterbation between gay partners would constitute homosexual sex ?

 

Who knows? Would God be less upset about that than about homosexual coitus, if He would be upset about either? I'm not one to poke around in scripture for answers, because I think what's there is ambiguous and sometimes in a historically dated context. The Catholic Church and some fundamentalist Protestant churches consider masturbation to be a sin, by putting together the story of Onan with the passage in Genesis about being fruitful and multiplying, all put in the context of Greco-Roman natural law philosophy. In other words, any non-procreative sexual activity is off limits. My Mama used to say some of these ideas come from celibate old men who are speculating about things they have no first-hand experience with. She may have had a point.

 

I apologize erzebet. I was hypothesizing, intellectualizing and philosophizing and did not realize that this was so personal to you and for that I once again apologize. I still believe the same things but I would have been gentler with my words.

Okiefreak was right when he said: “And I think even OlderWaterBrother would agree that the Bible is talking about sexual activity, not "homosexuality" as an orientation.”

In fact back in Post #84 I said this:

God does not condemn people for their thoughts or the way they feel. We are all imperfect, yes even me, and from time to time we all have thoughts and feelings that do not agree with God’s, but all God asks is that we don’t act on them.

But there is a good reason that God does not want us to engage in same sex sexual relations, we may not understand why but God has a good reason to ask us not to do this and we should trust God to not hold back anything good from us and to want only what is best for us.

Please realize that there is no being like everyone else, if you could read everyone else’s thoughts you would realize that there are no normal people, everyone has their own weird thoughts and feelings that they are hiding from everyone else while they play at being normal.

No, there is nothing inherently sinful about sex, God gave sex as a gift to mankind for us to enjoy and is a wonderful way for a married couple to draw closer together but sex outside of marriage is a sin.

Masturbation in of itself is not porneia' but add a second person and then it become porneia'. So, sorry, but yes, mutual masturbation would fall under the heading of porneia’ and would constitute homosexual sex and for you, being married, it would also be adultery.

Maybe some of the others can find a loophole for you but the Bible is pretty straight forward about these matters.

Jesus was pretty honest about the truth not being the easiest way of life. He said pick up your torture stake and follow me. He said narrow and cramped is the road to life but broad and spacious is the way leading off to destruction.

I believe we are living in the last days and that soon God will bring destruction on this wicked system of things and will usher in a new system and turn the earth in to a paradise for all who made the effort to remain strong in these last days. Please press on and endure to the end for he who endues to the end shall be saved.

May you sing a dance with one hand free,
OWB

 

The people who post answers to this shit are about as dumb as they come.

 

erzabet - please don't let others who claim to understand God ,who is without fathom by any of us, lay their guilt on you. You have the same access to God's truth as do they or anyone else - it's called "Priesthood of the believer". God is not about love - The scripture tells us God IS Love and love comes from God and if you have love you are of God. Whomever you have love for - follow it. So many are without. Do you have a mite in your eye because of this - possibly, I don't know your whole heart - but - Ignore those that have the log of judgement in their eye. They are of no concern to you. I fear you are beginning to take on their guilt.

Erazbet - Love and sex or intertwined - BE WHO YOU ARE - NOT WHO OTHERS SAY YOU ARE. Love and Peace - Dudley

 

Amen!

 

Get a life!

 

(2 Timothy 4:3-4) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories.

 

I love God.....but I also love my lady with all my heart , and cannot just leave her because its wrong.
WOw..........Im actually left....feeling kinda struck dumb.

 

Unconditional love is salvation in itself. Right now.

 

This statement is a bit ambiguous don’t you think.

When you say salvation, salvation from what?

And when you say love what do you mean by that word?

There are those who believe that love and sex are the same thing, so do you mean to say; Unconditional sex is salvation in itself?

 

What is the subject of gay tendencies going for NOW. The marxists would be meaning that the full human rights sepctrum is involved. But we mean truly that then it is the humanism at a dualistic Judgment for the fervetnt conflict. One for the spirit, and one for the materail World surrounding the personified victim.

We are not victims They say in the west. On this issue we can do no better than conclude: We are victims if only because of the Situation to Need for hospitals when we lack the financial resources.

Is that your gay tendency? That is the Marxist dualism of people believing in their false Gods.

 

My Momma used to say, "if you don't have anything intelligible to say, don't say anything at all!"

 

I dont know how to answer this at all.....im sorry , I didnt mean to start a fight or anything like that when I made this thread.
I just was looking for answers to something going on in my life is all.

I dont even know what Marxism is , Im just an old hippie farm kid.

 

Salvation from the belief that we are separate. The action of love is serving others and in doing this we realize that everything is connected. If we are part of everthing then we lack nothing. It's beautiful. Love is the glue that holds everything together.

 

This whole conversation has gotten really strange and fast.

I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.

 

I found this video that I thought might shed some light on the question of being born gay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWNdPnd-c_Q&feature=PlayList&p=6B4602C4EB1550BF&index=29

 

Thank all of you so much for your help , it means alot.

Ive put it in Gods hands , and am trusting he will help me find some peace.

 

If you've done that, you're in good hands. He'll help you, no doubt about it.

 

Dudley, I love you! The above is the most sacred, trusting, faithful statement about the Christ and Gays I have ever read. You will sit closer to Jesus in the Moment than popes, preachers, and lots of 'holy' folk. Your faith is Whole, near complete (we gotta leave a little room for Jesus' healing and forgiveness - He knows more than we), and I salute you, brother. May God spread the message far and wide. And, you had nothing to do with the whole thing, except you kept yourself open to your savior and let his message of love into your heart! Amen